Anti-Gun Groups Sue to Have 80% Lowers Defined as Guns

Anti-Gun Groups Sue to Have 80% Lowers Defined as Guns

Anti-Gun Groups Sue to Have 80% Lowers Defined as Guns

Anti-gun group Everytown and the equally gun-hating mayors of Chicago, Syracuse, New York and Columbia, South Carolina have filed suit against the ATF, claiming that the agency is not following its own laws regarding 80% lower receivers.

An 80% lower, as its known, is a lower receiver to a rifle or frame to a  pistol that is only 80% milled out. While finished rifles come with traceable serial numbers — and often paperwork about their buyers — an 80% lower has no serial number. What’s more, it doesn’t need to according to the law, because it’s not a gun. It’s a gun part, which may or may not become a firearm at some point in the future.

What that means for you is that you can buy an 80% lower, mill it out yourself, and build a rifle or pistol with a parts kit. This results in a so-called “ghost gun,” that has no serial and no paperwork. In other words, it’s the kind of gun the government doesn’t know about and cannot take away. The kind we need more of, simply because anti-gun groups like Everytown exist.

Such a blatant use of the rights enshrined in the Second Amendment, of course, is anathema to the freedom-hating anti-gun lobby. Lori Lightfoot, mayor of The Combat Zone Formerly Known As Chicago, says it’s “simple:”

individuals with dangerous histories shouldn’t be able to order lethal weapons on the internet with a few quick clicks.

That’s not how it works, of course, but never mind the facts. Lori’s got an agenda — and it isn’t fixing her own hellhole of a city.

The two lawsuits are going after the same goals:

  • convince a federal judge to declare the 80% classification letters and manufacturing guidance illegal. The building of rifles from an 80% lower is a very specific, rule-driven process already, and yet these groups want even that defined as illegal.
  • make new rules that define an 80% lower as an actual firearm. After all, everything that can be used to make a firearm IS a firearm, right?

How will they track and demonize gun owners when they have no idea who all the gun owners are? How will they take guns away from law abiding citizens if so many of these unserialized weapons are hiding in people’s homes and they don’t know how many of these guns there are out in the WILD?!

The answer, of course, is that they wouldn’t know. They wouldn’t be able to take them away. That’s why these mayors and groups like Everytown are all over it, trying to get 80% lowers reclassified as guns.

That would mean no more buying a lower, milling it out, and building your own firearm. It would mean that getting caught with an unserialized firearm would be a crime. It would mean a whole bunch of new laws to force people to relinquish, destroy, or get rid of the ones they already have.

Many seem to think that these groups underestimate the resolve of American gun owners. In reality, people underestimate the resolve of these groups. They know what they’re demanding, and they know how it will end. That, in fact, is what they’re betting on. They want the war they’ll get — because they have every intention of winning it.

There are a few obstacles in their way, but lest you think the ATF is somehow blameless here, consider that we are talking about the agency who manufactured an entire sting operation that ended with a whole lot of women and children dead, just to justify their own existence.

By the way, the ATF is actually not following their own law. Everytown is right about that. But it isn’t about what the anti-gun lobby wants you to think.

The ATF actually doesn’t like 80% lowers. In fact, according to one of their own former agents:

the ATF has been deliberately misinterpreting a key gun control regulation for decades because officials fear that following the letter of the law would allow criminals to build AR-15s and other firearms piece by piece with unregulated parts.

In other words, the ATF is totally okay with the lawsuits against them because they want the same thing Everytown does: to know exactly how many firearms there are…and who has them.

Image courtesy of TAC6 Media, CC 2.0.

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  • GWB says:

    that is only 80% milled out
    In other words, it’s basically a block of aluminum (or steel) that is vaguely in the shape of part of a gun. You know, just like a pipe at Lowe’s is a vaguely gun-part-shaped piece of steel or cooper. Or a 2×4 is a vaguely gun-part-shaped piece of wood. Or a chewed Pop-Tart is a vaguely gun-shaped piece of breakfast pastry.
    Heck, the parts you have to mill out require more care than the outside shaped bits. The only really important pre-milled bits are the pin holes.

    “ghost gun,” … The kind we need more of
    Amen.

    able to order lethal weapons on the internet with a few quick clicks
    Well, yes. You probably shouldn’t be able to order bricks or bats or hockey sticks over the internet, either then.
    Because, when you order it it’s an inert piece of metal.

    How will they take guns away from law abiding citizens if so many of these unserialized weapons are hiding in people’s homes
    Exactly. Every serious gun owner should have at least one “ghost” gun in their inventory. Something the authorities don’t know about. (In proper states, ALL your firearms fit this category.)

    They want the war they’ll get
    Personally, I think [r e d a c t e d].

    Something I like to remind folks of, who think they can somehow regulate guns out of existence:
    David Marshall Williams was a convicted murderer. While in prison he invented and produced a working copy of the antecedent to the M1 Carbine. Yes, in a 1920s prison machine shop, he actually produced FOUR versions of a firearm. Admittedly the second and third (IIRC) were approved, but still. But somehow they’re going to stop people from making firearms by banning hunks of aluminum?!
    They made a movie about Carbine Williams, called, well, Carbine Williams, starring Jimmy Stewart.

    • John in Indy says:

      In WWII, the 9mm STEN gun was produced at a cost of $1.25 each, less than $20.00 in current money.
      Plans for the gun were dropped over occupied territories attached to a box of rounds, because any competent mechanic could make one from exhaust pipe tubing, 3/8″ high-pressure hydraulic pipe for the barrel, ans a re-wound bedspring for the operating spring. (Open-bolt full-auto only)
      John in Indy

      • GWB says:

        Which is exactly why we should ban gun design drawings from the internet! REEEEE!!!!!
        /stupid

        BTW, anyone else remember mail order books? And the controversy over being able to buy books on gunmaking and other fun activities? (The Anarchist’s Cookbook was one of the titles that drew massive amounts of attention.) Was it Paladin Press that was the most famous?

  • Scott says:

    You both nailed it! As always, it’s not about guns, it’s about control! The dems want to control every aspect of our lives, as in all totalitarian societies, that which is not compulsory is forbidden…

    As if you needed more reason to NEVER vote democrat….(or for anyone willing to infringe on your rights

  • John in Indy says:

    Idiocy. Complete idiocy. And if this does get to court, beither she nor the ATF may like the outcome, as the ATF has alrady lost a couple of cases where the holding was that the complete lower reciever of an AR-15 type rifle was not a firearm, as defined by the laws the ATF supposedly enforces. And neither was the upper, either part alone.
    For other looks at the dwarven frog, read Secondcitycop.blogspot.com. Lots of reality from Chicago there.

  • rosignol says:

    If 80% lowers are re-defined as ‘firearms’, they’ll just shift to selling 75% lowers.

  • Tom says:

    “The ATF actually doesn’t like 80% lowers … according to one of [ATF’s] own former agents:
    the ATF has been deliberately misinterpreting a key gun control regulation for decades because officials fear that following the letter of the law would allow criminals to build AR-15s and other firearms piece by piece with unregulated parts.”

    This quote is misleading because it has to do with the statutory definition of a firearm and nothing to do with 80% complete components.
    Fully functional AR15 lowers (and uppers) do not currently fit within the legal definition of a firearm, yet ATF has arbitrarily decided to classify AR15 lower receivers as the serialized component, thus making it a “firearm.”

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