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Ever on the look out for Men Behaving Badly™, we have this disturbing report from the Left-feminist hook-up crowd
But a disturbing new trend described in a recent article published in the Columbia Journal of Gender and Law known as “stealthing”– nonconsensual condom removal before or during sex as a sign or symbol of male dominance — threatens to destroy the normalcy of dating, or “hooking up,” as some refer to it.
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In her article, lead author Alexandra Brodsky lays the groundwork for characterizing this disturbing trend as sexual assault, asserting that new legal statutes would be beneficial as this harmful practice may lead to not only physical, but emotional harm.
“One can note that proponents of ‘stealthing’ root their support in an ideology of male supremacy in which violence is a man’s natural right,” writes Brodsky, also a Legal Fellow for National Women’s Law Center.
The article goes on to explain that, in essence, if woman feels ‘violated’ because of her male partner’s refusal to use, or he removes, a condom, it is necessary to both classify it as a criminal act and make it punishable by jail and fines.
In January of 2016, a court in Switzerland convicted a man of rape for removing his condom without the consent of his partner while having sex. The rationale is that the woman would not have consented to have sex if she understood ahead of time that the man would remove his condom.
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[S]tealthing victims need laws on the books to serve as a deterrant, but also a way to recover monetary damages should an assault occur.Stealthing constitutes a form of violence and sexual assault, and is in no way consensual.
Well, boys and girls, I have a one-word response to this (those of a tender nature, please look away).
BULLSHIT
Lying about using a contraceptive is, indeed, morally and ethically wrong. And has been going on since, I suspect, the Garden of Eden. Whether it’s a guy about using a condom or having had a vasectomy or a woman about being on The Pill. Ironically, if it’s the latter and she gets pregnant, not only won’t she be criminally charged or even held civilly liable, he will be on the hook for at least 18 years of child support.
Let me know when Switzerland convicts a woman of rape because a man wouldn’t have consented to sex with her if he knew she wasn’t on The Pill.
I want to sweep aside the female supremacy approach Brodsky brings to policing sexual relationships and be bluntly adult with you.
Stop sleeping around. If you are hooking-up, then you are accepting the risk you might be getting naked with a jerk. Him not using a condom (or her not being on The Pill) is pretty crappy, but such lying is not violence and it doesn’t entitle you to use The State to criminally punish your fuckbuddy for your own bad judgement.
Oh! You there in the back? The one with the angry face? Yes, people can get STD’s because of ‘stealthing’ and you know what? That’s already covered by tort law. Find a PI lawyer and knock yourself out.
Stop diluting the word “rape.” There are real victims of rape and assault. Some who can’t even be witnesses at trial because it’s impossible to serve at subpoena at a cemetery.
Grow up, people and stop using Law as a substitute for a well-considered moral code.
While lying about contraception is certainly not new, this “stealthing” thing seems more about social media and young males bragging to their friends about what asshats they are than anything else. Doesn’t make it right, but maybe women should be a wee more selective on who they are intimate with. This is a symptom of the hook up culture.
Darleen Click says: Bragging by jerks was done in locker rooms, now it’s done online.
Being a jerk isn’t illegal.
Yet.
Marshal says: “stealthing” thing seems more about social media and young males bragging to their friends about what asshat
It seems more the latest invention for some radical feminist to get herself noticed.
JPD says: Well now. Are you in BIG trouble. Actually using some plain common sense. Plus, suggesting people actually have a moral code. BAM! You are now in mortal danger. Yes, those snowflakes have your number.
GWB says: “stealthing”– nonconsensual condom removal before or during sex as a sign or symbol of male dominance
So, are they saying that nonconsensual condom removal before or during sex NOT as a sign or symbol of male dominance is just okie-dokie? Or is it just their SJW tic getting in the way of their writing?
threatens to destroy the normalcy of dating, or “hooking up,” as some refer to it
Oh yeah, because “hooking up” is just a sweet and wonderful thing to do! We should definitely not see this as a symptom of hooking up, but as something destroying its ‘normalcy’. *eyeroll*
As to it being sexual assault… maybe. You are changing the quality of any consent given. Much like a woman’s agreement to sex assuming it’s with the one man with whom she’s “negotiating”, only to find out he intends to have his quiddich team join in on the fun once he’s gotten her home. But, that shouldn’t require new laws.
Interestingly, in a tort action (for a man not wearing his ‘helmet’) one defense would be that the woman still might have gotten pregnant, since condoms are not perfect barriers. Her consent to sex was also consent to a risk of getting pregnant.
Which brings us back to: a big reason (not that size matters) not to fool around outside of marriage is to ensure you have emotional bonding and support of a full-time partner before taking that risk. (Only one woman has ever gotten pregnant before having sex.)
Rich Rostrom says: I’m sure there’s at least one woman who has become pregnant through artificial insemination without ever having had sex.
Also, it’s possible for a woman to become pregnant without copulation; when semen is deposited on the external genitals, a really ambitious sperm can make it all the way to the egg. Very rare, but it has been documented.
Hold on a second here. The most likely scenario is the woman setting up a situation wherein she gets pregnant “as a surprise” to draw the man into a commitment he didn’t see very much in.
The prevailing case in New York State in modern times is Serpico v L. Pamela P. He said she said she was on the pill. She denied she said that. The Court said they were adults who knew they were engaging in sex, which produces children sometimes even with contraceptive protection. But even more important, the child needs support, no matter what the parents knew or didn’t know. In other words, the child’s interests are more important than the interests of parents who engage in behavior they know has risks.
How does fining or jailing a parent serve the needs of the child? Three parties are involved, not two.
richard40 says: Woudn’t the woman know the guy just took off his condom? Then couldn’t she just say in a loud voice, NO Stop now, and push him away, and say if he does not stop it is rape. Then if he refuses to stop it would be. But she has a responsibility to say no, otherwise there is no rape.
J Walter says: I got to call BS on this movement. No sane man is going to subject himself to STD and 20 years of child support.
I suspect a few cases ran around the feminst, everything is rape, news feed.
While it is a jerk move, I have had a condom break on me, the women get a surprise is par for the course.
I got to call BS on this movement. No sane man is going to subject himself to STD and 20 years of child support.
I wouldn’t call BS. 30 years ago, I might have done so, but I’m older and wiser now. Between the hook-up culture and the “bareback” culture among gays as examples of the “insanity” around sex in this day and age, this seems likely.
Oh, as far as the idiot claim made that this behavior is about “male dominance” or some such crap. Just the opposite actually. This is passive-aggresive pushback against female dominance. Male dominance doesn’t “stealth.”
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