he really is getting pathetic as evidenced in his vague performance at the saddleback civic forum.  if you didn’t get to watch it you can go here for both and article and liveblogging.  he was exceptionally horrid about abortion and he also misspoke about the stats and the reductions under the gwb administration — he said they weren’t going down and in fact they have steadily declined under president bush’s leadership.  oh and by the way, the stats website?  pro-CHOICE.

watch this of obama on abortion:

there were a number of other areas he was weak on such as evil in the world, the supremes, his “advisors” in the wh (god help us with that one!).  anyway.  i clearly think mccain won.  obama was relaxed and warm but way too vague on serious topics. 

of course the folks at the nose on your face couldn’t wait to release this vid ( h/t  mm):