liar liar pants on fire.
is she up to the 5th different waterboarding version by now? every week it seems nancy pelosi has a slightly different tale of ‘what did she know, and when did she know it’ on the EIT’s and frankly, if i were a democrat, i would not only be embarrassed, i would be furious.
this week’s story: she is now accusing the bush CIA of ‘misleading’ her on the use of enhanced interrogation techniques back in the fall of 2002. she has finally been forced to admit for the first time publicly that she knew the gitmo terrorists were waterboarded. are you listening libs?
nan is calling for the CIA to release detailed portions of her own september 2002 briefing about interrogation techniques, saying that at that time she was told the CIA was not waterboarding detainees.
so now, after weeks of sticking to prior statements that she was never ‘briefed’ about waterboarding’s use, she admitted that her aide was part of a briefing in February 2003 and he in turn, briefed her.
and get this: she said after she learned of the waterboarding, she didn’t protest out of respect for ‘appropriate’ legislative channels. she — unlike rep. jane harmon — uttered not a word of complain or concern about the use of the technique.
wut???
if she thought human rights were being violated and hated waterboarding as much as she protests to these days, her hair should have been on fire (instead of her pants) and she should have been shouting it from the rooftops — or at the very least among her own leadership because she was no freshman legislator.
liar.
she will say anything. she is addicted to her own power. and nancy pelosi can dissemble all she wants; but she is simply another lying, disingenuous politician who should be hounded out of office.
note to leftwing dems: if truth or true conviction against waterboarding or torture had any value in pelosi’s world, she would simply have used it.
note to all others: this lying, vacuous, power-hungry elitist is third in line to the presidency.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Investigate! Prosecute anyone who broke the law.
The US Constitution forbids the use of torture. Therefore, anyone who was complicit in authorizing or implementing torture broke the law.
I don’t care if they are Democrats or Republicans. Hold them accountable.
It’s not about being nice to terrorists and it’s not about destroying Pelosi or Cheney or anybody else. It’s about us; it’s about who we are.
Prosecuting anyone who broke the law would mean Congress would be emptied. They all knew about it and did nothing to stop it – until now. They are all complicit thru their denials, lies or simple silence.
Not true, Kris. Not all of Congress was aware of the torture.
But, even if it were true, how would that mitigate the need for prosecutions?
PenniePan says: Why would we not believe Nancy Pelosi? Instead of you KATE using the word LIAR for HER, why the hell shouldn’t she just use the correct word of LIE for Shrub’s CIA? Why is the fact that Bush’s CIA lying so hard for you to believe? The CIA lied to her; they didn’t “mislead”. They fu*king LIED to HER.
Pat says: I’ve always suspected that any investigation into torture would find Democrats involved in the mix in one way or another. Either explicitly or complicitly.
Did the CIA lie? Probably.
Is Speaker Pelosi being totally honest? Probably not
calm down pennie. you’re sounding shrill.
and hey, the CIA works for The One now. time he took charge of this fiasco.
heh.
Bebe says: Pelosi is lying to save her sorry ass.
Jared says: Kate
“…Nancy Pelosi can dissemble all she wants…”
She seems to have selective amnesia which may explain why she isn’t pushing for investigations which is what we need because she is incompetent at the least and complicit to torture at the most.
BikerDan says: “Why is the fact that Bush’s CIA lying so hard for you to believe?”
Pennie most of the CIA who would have been directly involved in this are career so how do you claim them to be exclusively Bush CIA?
Are are you referring to Porter Goss who came into this as Chief Spook after these had already started. It was Bill Clinton’s Spook, George Tenet (a democrat) who was head of CIA when this started.
Here’s a Xanax.
PenniePan says: STFU Dan! I know very well who is in charge of the CIA now and then. I am talking about executive influence and the pressure the Bushies used to push their insidious policies through on torture. The CIA has a horrible history as it is so of course they would jump on the waterboarding bandwagon.
Eric says: The CIA say’s it has the notes to backup what they say so it’s Pelosi vs the CIA. Let the games begin!
A_Reluctant_Pundit says: If Pelosi is as innocent as she claims, why hasn’t she said, “Bring on the investigations, ask any questions you want.”
I don’t trust Nancy. I don’t trust the CIA either, but just because one is lying doesn’t mean the other isn’t.
I believe Barack will need to put pressure on the congressional democratic leadership on investigations now because Nancy has really confused the issue.
BikerDan says: “STFU Dan!” When you do.
Micky says: Am I missing something ?
Waterboarding was legal in 2001-02-03. Who cares who heard what ?
lisab says: pelosi is not the only congress person to know about the water boarding
basically everyone in congress knew after 2005. it simply was not considered torture by them until now.
Well, Micky and lisab, you’re both wrong.
The United States prosecuted Japanese soldiers for war crimes when it was learned that these soldiers employed water-boarding on GIs during the war.
Water-boarding is torture and torture is illegal.
Prosecute!
Micky says: Dade, then why was it never contested when Hayden said last year that waterboarding was legal in 2002-03 ?
Even MSNBC carried the piece;
“Hayden told the House Intelligence Committee that he officially prohibited CIA operatives from using waterboarding in 2006 in the wake of a Supreme Court decision and new laws on the treatment of U.S. detainees.”
He said the agency has not used waterboarding for “just a few weeks short” of five years.
“Though now legally questionable, Hayden said, waterboarding was legal in 2002 and 2003, a time when the technique was used to interrogate Al-Qaida detainees.”
Ken says: Actually Dade, those Japanese prosecuted were prosecuted for far worse things, they just also happened to have used waterboarding.
Here’s a good example, the left has been using Yukio Asano, a Japanese soldier who was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for waterboarding. Only waterboarding was the very least of what he did.
“Docket Date: 53/ May 1 – 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan
Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.
Specifications: beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward
So Asano beat people with clubs and burned them with cigarettes — and I think there’s no real debate about whether that consitutes torture. But wait, there’s more. Asano practiced a much more severe form of waterboarding, according to the Post:
Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.”
There is still no evidence that any Japanese solider was prosecuted for the single crime of waterboarding, and obviously it was much different then what was practiced by the U.S.
Mike says: As Mulder tells Scully “Trust no one.”
Mike says: BTW I’m inclined not to believe the CIA, whose very business is to obfuscate. But, Pelosi has been ridiculously inaccurate with every story change. I’ll reserve judgement until more clear information comes out.
“I don’t trust the CIA either”
the letters C I A are now mysteriously missing from your keyboard pennie.
Micky says: All I know is I wouldnt wanna be on the CIAs sh*t list.
Really Nancy, just quit while you’re ahead. Come on out and tell everyone that you were doing your best to be apart from something you couldnt prove the others were doing. Also that you’re well aware that the CIA would not lie to you and tell the truth to everyone else and that it was more a matter of you being incredibly stupid or just not paying attention.
That oughta get everyone off your back.
If its true that waterboarding wasnt illegal during 2001-02-03, and it sure seems it was, then all were seeing here is witch hunt based on pure hatred and of no concern for justice or the safety of our country.
Only those like Pelosi who brought up and instigated this for expedient purposes are the ones who should be prosecuted for exactly what she accused the Bush administration of doing.
She is the liar, she is the one who wants to misrepresent the facts in order to send perfectly innocent men ans women to prison.
It would be really nice if we saw these punks worry more about the trials of those who actually mean us harm and have killed Americans instead of trying to bring down those whos only intention was to save American lives.
Its sickening.
Ken says: Isn’t it funny how quickly the lefties were to believe the CIA when they were releasing information to embarrass Bush? They certainly didn’t hesitate to believe them then.
What a difference an Obama makes!!!!!
Micky says: Ken, the whole think is a riot, I cant remember the last time the dems gave me so much to laugh at since that guy said he didnt have relations with that woman.
This is beggining to be a crisis that we shouldnt let go to waste. This congress already has the worst report card of any congress ever. If she loses her seat over this, voting in a republican majority will be easier than anyone thought it was. It’ll almost be a given. At that point a one term Obama will be inevitable .
Gypsy says: I know this is gonna hurt but, torture is a WAR CRIME people! Can we please, please prosecute already? Anyone and everyone, whatever their rank or party, who had a hand in this should go directly to jail w/o passing go. With Junior, Darth and Rummy leading the way. Period.
Micky says: Gypsy.
Ya cant prosecute people retroactively.
I know you guys would just love to see Bush and co. go down for something but it aint gonna happen on this avenue. Get over it already.
Everyone was on board for this in 2001-02-03 and even if by some miracle it is deemed illegal at the time they all know that anyone and everyone involved will have to go down all together on the same ship.
Our politicians are not known for their willingness to self sacrifice.
You guys opened this can of worms now you deal with it.
lisab says: of course you realize obama was a senator and was fully informed of waterboarding in 2007
i guess he needs to be impeached because he did nothing
One thing I’ve noticed in economic matters, national security matters, and this attempt to discredit in the worst way possible the previous administration, is that the left is very short-sighted. They never get past stage 1 thinking. Can’t see the long view, the inevitable consequences of their own actions. They just blunder right in, changing this, changing that, shaking that honey bee hive, and poking this snake.
Well, let them now reap what they have sown. They started this, a waste of time, an attempt to punish people for doing the hard job that none of us would ever want to have to do. I don’t have a problem with waterboarding a terrorist to obtain information in order to save American lives. It isn’t something I would want to do to another person, nor would I want it done to me or someone I cared about. But there are much worse things that constitute true torture. I am glad that we didn’t resort to the horrific methods used by our enemies on our own troops and journalists.
They did a job that needed to be done, unless you believe that we should not try to prevent the killing of Americans. Most of us reading and writing here won’t ever have to choose to do the undesirable and difficult thing. But you can’t just see the world as you want it to be; you have to live in it as it is, and make the grown-up decision to face and fight evil instead of just turn away and hope it goes away.
The Dems started this without a clue where it would lead, and now it’s not being the great show they expected. And they deserve every minute of it.
God bless the troops and all those who work tirelessly to keep this country safe.
lisab says: “It isn’t something I would want to do to another person, nor would I want it done to me or someone I cared about. ”
obviously you would not want to do this … i am sure you would not want to shoot anyone either even in self defense.
the question is, if an enemy knows that a bomb will go off, would you pour water on them to make them talk? i do not mean to make that sound trivial, i understand that most people can only take it for about 20 seconds before they give in. the worst terrorist impressed the interrorgators because he withstood the treatment for almost 90 seconds — which most people could not stand.
look at your children and ask yourself, would you do that to a terrorist if your child’s life was at stake?
Nancy Pelosi has forgotten that she does not serve to change Congress. She serves at the pleasure of the American people. We can only hope when she’s up for re-election, the people of San Francisco finally get her out the door.
I know – the devil you don’t know could be worse than the one you do. In this case, I’d gladly see the country take that chance.
Lisab, exactly. I, nor anyone I know, wants to hurt or do harm to anyone. I would wager that all the folks I know, including myself, could say that having to shoot someone in self-defense is on the list of “things we don’t ever want to have to do.”
But, as with waterboarding to get info to save American lives, the truly courageous with a core of strength, do whatever is necessary to protect family and loved ones.
I would do whatever I had to do, to protect my child. Or even my own life. And I do wonder about all those who are so upset right now about this–would they do the hard thing, the repugnant thing, to save their child? It’s the reality of evil, and you either believe that it exists, and resolve to face it, or you decide that evil doesn’t exist and you just need to appeal to that hidden core of goodness in everybody, and all will be well.
I’m not willing to stake the life of loved ones on that “hidden core of goodness”, and thank God that those in ACTUAL charge of protecting this country aren’t either.
Please come over and vote in our Pelosi Poll.
http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/2009/05/liar-liar-pants-suit-on-fire.html
>>”The CIA lied to her; they didn’t “mislead”. They fu*king LIED to HER.”
Is this the same CIA that was the darling of the left when their hero, Valerie Plame, was there. She was CIA, maybe she was lying. Hmmmmmm……
Those of you on the left claiming you don’t care if it’s D’s or R’s who get trapped and that you just want investigations, you’re lying. Yeah, it’s that obvious.
Ken, thanks for pointing out the truth. It was presented as thought the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding only, which was a another lie by an incessant liar. They were prosecuted for genuine torture and mistreatment.
Get this straight:
1) Pelosi is lying.
2) There isn’t going to be any investigations regarding interrogation techniques because they didn’t do anything wrong.
3) Fitzmas is gone, Bush/Cheney aren’t going to be impeached.
4) And if you libs don’t quit saying things so ridiculiously dumb, you’re going to owe me a new monitor from having spit Coke from laughing too many times.
Micky says: “It was presented as thought the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding only, which was a another lie by an incessant liar. They were prosecuted for genuine torture and mistreatment.”
Ted.
Thanks for bringing this up. Last night I was thinking to myself if this was a lie by way of semantics and omission or flat out bullsh*t. After you presented the truth will this person continue to carry the same message ? It seems that information like that will get spread around and accepted by those who dont dare to look a litttle further and as a result we’ll still have these masses frothing at the mouth asking for convictions.
“Those of you on the left claiming you don’t care if it’s D’s or R’s who get trapped and that you just want investigations, you’re lying. Yeah, it’s that obvious.”
Yea especialy when they end their statements like this;
“Anyone and everyone, whatever their rank or party, who had a hand in this should go directly to jail w/o passing go. With Junior, Darth and Rummy leading the way. Period.”
I think the moonbats are getting frustrated and a little desperate as things dont start to shape up the way the all imagined it would a few months back
lisab says: “I think the moonbats are getting frustrated and a little desperate as things dont start to shape up the way the all imagined it would a few months back”
yup … SOME are finally beginning to see that the laws of supply and demand are not negotiable, and obama’s spending did not stop GM and chrysler going bankrupt
AND
the rest of the world, particularly iran, china, russia, venezuela, north korea and pakistan are not changing their policies simply because obama took over. if anything these countries are now worse to us than before.
the obamabot would have realized this had they considered that 9/11 was planned when clinton was in office … so 9/11 was not launched because bush was mean to the rest of the world
it was launched because people like the terrorists want to kill us … and would certainly behead obama if they had the chance.
>>Micky said: Last night I was thinking to myself if this was a lie by way of semantics and omission or flat out bullsh*t.
Liberals lie. All the time. They lie.
You can come to this blog or any pol site or blog where libs are involved and pick out where they’ve either completely ignored all the facts or they’ve conveniently left out the parts that didn’t match with the template they want to push. Some of them try to be a little more sneaky than others by leaving themselves with an “out” of claiming that’s not what they were doing, but it is what they’re doing, and I’m going to call them out on it. These self-proclaimed “smartest people on the planet” sure have to go to a lot of extra effort to make sure their side of the story is being viewed as the only one worth consideration. Unfortunately for them, not everyone is as stupid as they are.
As for Pelosi, for years she talked about how dumb George Bush was, now she says “he tricked me.” I would say “Her lips are moving, she’s lying.” but after the facelifts that have given here that drum-taut kisser I’m not sure they actually *can* move. Personally, I think she’s being set up for a (political) dirt nap by Dear Leader and/or ReichsChancellor Emmanuel.
This issue is a gift from God to conservatives (I almost said GOP, my bad).
First, this is a non-issue for most Americans who are perfectly content to see terrorists made to give up operational information and would probably help if they could with far fewer moral and legal reservations.
Second, the dems are showing they are more worried about terrorists being comfortable than they are about Americans having to decide whether to jump 100 stories to their death or dying in an unholy conflagration.
Third, Nancy is calling the CIA liars but is demonstrably lying herself and comically so. The next time liberals say, “Bush and his CIA lied us into a war” it will be laughable because of SanFranNan and her antics.
Fourth, her obviously self-serving, politicizing dishonesty and the balance of the democrat party’s refusal to end this non-sense is washing back onto them because she is their chosen leader.
Fifth, Obama back-tracked on tribunals, wiretapping and more importantly releasing the EIT photos because his defense apparatus is all but in coup mode for the simple cause of self-preservation from non-sense indictments with genuine and severe consequences…but Nancy is ruining whatever gestures he’s making to back away from his own foolishness.
The issue isn’t even about torture anymore; it’s about how liberals are a bunch of schmucks.
Micky says: Yea, I’ve known this for quite a while but whats striking is the levels to which they’ll go to.
I like to think I’m pretty pragmatic and realistic to the liberal motive but at the same time always have to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that theres a glimmer of hope or humanity in them.
So when the question crosses my mind as to whether or not these schmucks care more about the country or nailing Bush I ask myself if this character is going to repeat the same crap on another blog in hopes someone will swallow it.
I treasure this country so damn much that if I were given evidence that torture never ever produced a thing of value I would look to convict those with guilty with as much fury as these guys have given to their pursuit of Bush. As we know, torture has worked before. This is why Chinese and Japanese soldiers were expected to perform Hari Kiri in order not be caught and questioned thereby guaranteeing there would no opportunity for them to break.
I mean crust o mighty these are adults, old enough to vote, have kids and responsibilities and they would rather lock up innocent people instead of do what they have to in order to preserve the great country they say they care so much about ?
So when it becomes obvious to me that hatred is paramount to anything in these peoples lives the loathing I get for them is vomit producing.
Have any of us ever seen an administration get so into it this early in its term ?
Is this just the opening act of whats to come ?
Man, I can hardly wait.
Tom K says: Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace
3rd in line, and accuses the CIA of lying to Congress and she does nothing about it? Perhaps it’s because she is a big, whopping liar and knows that she cannot back up the allegation.
Nancy Pelosi has done herself in. Americans are neither fools nor a people that will permit a politician to go unchallenged.
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