Neil “I’m a Scientist” deGrasse Tyson went toe-to-toe with Piers Morgan on trans athletes in his latest appearance.

On Piers Morgan Uncensored, the two had a very spirited discussion on trans athletes. Tyson argued that sports can be a “new frontier” by classifying people based on “hormone ratio” tests rather than separating athletes by gender.

(Insert eye rolls here.)

What I see is sports is on the frontier of how to handle this frontier of people who are trans. It’s on the frontier of how to resolve that. And I’m making this up now: imagine the future of sports does not distinguish sex, it distinguishes and sorts people by hormone ratios. I’m making this up, but imagine that, if that were the case. That would be interesting. You get a hormone test, you’re in this range and then you compete against other people with the same range.”-Neil deGrasse Tyson

Morgan gets the takedown:

That’s ridiculous. Neil, that is ridiculous.”-Piers Morgan

Tyson, who used to wrestle said that separating athletes by hormone count would be similar to classifying wrestlers by weight class.

Umm, no, it would not, Neil.

I say this respectfully because I love you, but it just seems to me like you’ve dug yourself into a slight hole on this issue and you’re trying to get out of it. And now you’re suggesting slightly mad cat theories, whereas the science, to me, is obvious. You’ve already given the best argument I’ve heard for why we separate the sexes.”-Piers Morgan

This is not the first time Tyson floated this theory:

Wow never saw a more educated fool in all my life.
You should have never went down the alien rabbit hole, it's obviously fried your brain.

— @RoseInWanderland (@RoseInWanderla1) September 21, 2023

Tyson circles: “it is not fundamentally weird compared to dividing wrestlers by weight,” he says. He argued trans athletes could compete against biological males or in their own categories as a “scientific way” to resolve the ongoing issue.

Dividing wrestlers by weight is necessary in order to not have unfair matches between athletes. It’s not weird, as Tyson indicates. What the hell would be weird would be the heavyweight going up against the 106-pounder, Neil. But “hormone counts” are not the “scientific way”, Neil. Nothing about this is “scientific”. Bill Maher already owned you on this subject last month, but our guess is you are afraid of being canceled by the Alphabet Soup mafia.

Some may argue that a trans-male athlete needs to compete with boys:

But, I will say this. It is, in no way, fair to the male who has to wrestle a girl who identifies as a “guy” in the world of wrestling. It is not fair to the girl identifying as a “male”, either. I say this because during my son’s sophomore year in high school, he had to, occasionally, wrestle a “trans” female-to-male. It was awkward, uncomfortable and an unfair match because regardless of “hormone counts” (how much would those cost taxpayers in public school athletic programs), and despite they were around the same weight class because, this person was a much weaker match. This person also still possessed characteristics of female biology. And, after practices, used the boys’ locker room as “just one of the guys”.

Some will call my stance on this “close-minded” and “bigoted” but this person had NO BUSINESS on the boy’s wrestling mat or in their locker room. A whole team of young men had to trip over themselves to make this ONE person feel affirmed in their delusion of being one of “them”. The boys did not want to be an unfair match in strength and hurt this person. And, they weren’t fans in particular of showering in front of this person, either. Imagine that?!

What have they got on you, dude? Must be some pretty big skeletons to debase yourself to such an absurd degree.

— Aleksi Soma (@AleksiSoma) September 21, 2023

Neil deGrasse Tyson has lived in a world where he did not have to navigate these issues on a wrestling mat. Yet, the guy who appeared on Sesame Street back in the day sees absolutely nothing wrong with this concept.

Arrogance of education. Where being an expert in one area, gives the person the arrogance to think their expertise applies to other topics, with no study, research or effort. A male bovine = bull. A female bovine = cow. Gender is biological and species assigned, not a spectrum

— VDI_Dude_ (@VDI_Dude_) September 6, 2023

To institute a procedure of measuring “hormone counts” in boys/girls athletic programs and saying this concept is not “fundamentally weird” is, indeed, fundamentally weird and freakish, if you ask me. By this concept, Tyson thinks it is completely normal to shoot kids up with hormones that cause all sorts of other health problems for these kids. Blood thickening, liver damage, increased cancer risk, emotional changes, heart conditions-to name a few. If that is not “fundamentally weird compared to dividing wrestlers by weight”, I don’t know what is.

Double tidal lock, Neil. Go back to talking about dwarf galaxies, please.

Featured image: Neil deGrasse Tyson in September 2010, via Bruce F Press on Wikimedia Commons, cropped, Attribution 3.0 Unported (CC BY 3.0)