Previous post
Next post
obama’s minions are restless. the very people self-centered enough or naive enough to elect one of the most damaging, country-destroying crop of politicians america has ever seen, are now verbalizing their buyer’s remorse.
“Unless Obama learns to rely less on charm, rhetoric, and good intentions and more on picking his spots and winning in political combat, he’s not going to be reelected….”
“The president’s problem isn’t that he is too visible; it’s the lack of content in what he says when he keeps showing up on the tube. Obama can seem a mite too impressed with his own aura, as if his presence on the stage is the Answer. There is, at times, a self-referential (even self-reverential) tone in his big speeches. They are heavily salted with the words ‘I’ and ‘my.’ (He used the former 11 times in the first few paragraphs of his address to the U.N. last week.) Obama is a historic figure, but that is the beginning, not the end, of the story.”
obama’s words are almost always sweet and soothing. he can be quite eloquent and persuasive and completely wrong. he can be melifluous and yet dangerous in his national security naivete and his socialistic impulses.
as i have said before, we need to look to his actions then look to their results. case in point: the economic and national security shambles the US is rapidly becoming on his very watch.
it must feel awful to be so disappointed but we tried to tell them. sadly we all pay the price for his slight of hand hopechangery.
“the very people who put were self-centered enough or naive enough to elect one of the most damaging, country-destroying crop of politicians america has ever seen…”
Yeah, uh-huh. And who was the most damaging, country-destroying politician before Obama? Bill Clinton? And before that? Jimmy Carter? You see, when you engage in partisan hyperbole like this, it becomes meaningless.
Just like during the election when the National Journal rated Obama the “most liberal member of the Senate.” Guess who they rated as the “most liberal member of the Senate” in 2004? That’s right, John Kerry!
It means nothing.
Magda says: Just a few thoughts as I read this very interesting post.
President Bush got a lot of grief from his vacation time he took in August even though it was always a working vacation. But Bush is looking like a how do you say in English…workaholic (?) compared to Barack Obama. He’s taking vacations during his vacations. He’s going on date nights. Golfing every other day. He’s hosting parties on Wednesdays at the White House. He’s off to Copenhagen. He’s appearing on Leno and Letterman. He does depend quite a bit on his personal charm to get things accomplished does he not?
And this is all in just the first eight months! His idea of governing seems to be making public appearances while handing the responsibility for crafting legislation over to Pelosi, Reid, Rahm, Czars, union heads, and lobbyists. Well what happens if/when the GOP retakes the House next year? Is he prepared to actually work with Congress to achieve anything or will he go into shutdown mode until 2012? Maybe with the current state of things, shutdown mode is preferrable.
“And who was the most damaging, country-destroying politician before Obama? Bill Clinton? And before that? Jimmy Carter? ”
Yup, you got it right, especially in the middle east. Both those a$$clowns gave us policies that have resulted in nothing but disaster.
Its called identifying the enemy. And that would be liberals in charge of wars and foreign policy
john ‘reporting for duty’ kerry??? oh lord. :/ it really does mean something! dade here is a link from my fav milblog about john kerry and his plans for cutting and running from afghanistan.
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=14698
go check it out if you have time. john kerry is STILL a flaming idiot.
Well, Kate, I read that post. Not sure what to make of it.
I don’t believe the Afghanistan situation can be salvaged. After 8 years, we’ve had neither political nor military success. Our allies are war weary, as are most of the American public. Our country is in a financial shambles. You can call it “cut and run” or you can call it “strategic withdrawal.” Either way, there is no way we will ever impose some kind of new world democracy on that God-forsaken land.
You’ve said that Bush didn’t have enough troops in Afghanistan due to the emergency in Iraq. But that’s precisely my point. Bush half-assed Afghanistan just like he did everything else in his life (from Harken Energy to the Texas Rangers to the state house in Austin). Bush defaulted at Tora Bora because he wanted to invade Iraq. And now, we’re paying the price.
Also this: for all the noise conservatives make about supporting and honoring the troops, it doesn’t add up to much. Consider the way Saxby Chambliss savaged war hero and triple amputee Max Cleland in the Georgia Senate race of 2002.
John Kerry is a decorated war veteran. Silver Star and Purple Heart. Junior Bush was drunk in the Alabama air barracks while Kerry was in Vietnam.
Ken says: “Yeah, uh-huh. And who was the most damaging, country-destroying politician before Obama? Bill Clinton? And before that? Jimmy Carter?”
No I would definitely say that Carter came first.
“You see, when you engage in partisan hyperbole like this, it becomes meaningless.”
From the person who declares everything conservative as incompetent and/or racist and/or evil. Interesting.
“It means nothing.”
To you perhaps, but that does not make it insignificant to everyone.
“I don’t believe the Afghanistan situation can be salvaged.”
Isn’t that the same thing the dems have been screaming about Iraq since 2004?? At least up until Jauary 2009 anyway, now there doesn’t seem to be too much negative press on Iraq. Why is that?
“Either way, there is no way we will ever impose some kind of new world democracy on that God-forsaken land. ”
You may very well be correct about that point. However, leaving without a plan on what to do about the Taliban is not a plan, its retreat. You cannot retreat against these people. We must find another way of dealing with the Taliban, if we are to leave.
“Bush defaulted at Tora Bora because he wanted to invade Iraq.”
More “conjecture”, Dade???? Ignoring Iraq wasn’t an option. I’ll spare you all the evidence and quotes from high ranking democrats about the threat Iraq posed, by now you should know them well.
“Also this: for all the noise conservatives make about supporting and honoring the troops, it doesn’t add up to much.”
As opposed to the dems? I guess since the dems don’t even claim to support the troops, you may be right, but why then are so many servicemen and women Republican rather than democrat. That doesn’t seem right?
“Consider the way Saxby Chambliss savaged war hero and triple amputee Max Cleland in the Georgia Senate race of 2002. ”
I haven’t heard about this, but I would like to know more. Can you provide any information on this? Links, perhaps? Also, the dems did quite a job on McCain considering they made fun of his handicap and others spoke that his service didn’t add up to much since he was in a POW camp for most of the war. Very classy.
The dems own the record of despising the troops from Vietnam up until now, so please spare me any of the “Republicans don’t support the troops!” garbage.
“John Kerry is a decorated war veteran. Silver Star and Purple Heart. Junior Bush was drunk in the Alabama air barracks while Kerry was in Vietnam.”
Kerry came home and began trashing his fellow soldiers, including accusing them FALSELY of crimes. He throws his medals, oh wait that’s right, they weren’t HIS medals, he threw someone elses medals at the white house in some sort of statement, not sure what it was.
The man may have medals, but he has no honor.
By the way, Bush volunteered to serve in Vietnam.
Can the libs only trash Bush as a way to defend Obama? I thought this post was about Obama, yet somehow it turned into another “Look what Bush did?!”.
Quoth Ken:
“Bush defaulted at Tora Bora because he wanted to invade Iraq.”
More “conjecture”, Dade???? Ignoring Iraq wasn’t an option. I’ll spare you all the evidence and quotes from high ranking democrats about the threat Iraq posed, by now you should know them well.
I’m working from the same facts that you are, Ken. I’m just stating the conclusions I drew from them. Here they are:
1) Bush initiated military action against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
2) The US military with a coalition of Afghan tribesmen (dubbed “the Northern Alliance”) achieved success, driving Taliban/Qaeda forces from Kabul and the major population centers, eventually isolating them at Tora Bora.
3) The US military was held back from the Tora Bora offensive, leaving the fighting to the allied Afghan tribesmen. Somehow, in the confusion, Osama bin Laden escaped.
4) Bush started pushing for an invasion of Iraq.
Those are the facts. Everyone should draw their own conclusions about what they mean. I’ve certainly drawn mine.
“Also this: for all the noise conservatives make about supporting and honoring the troops, it doesn’t add up to much.”
As opposed to the dems? I guess since the dems don’t even claim to support the troops, you may be right, but why then are so many servicemen and women Republican rather than democrat. That doesn’t seem right?
Senator Bob Kerry (D-NE), Congressional Medal of Honor
Senator John Kerry (D-MA) Silver Star
Representative Charlie Rangell (D-NY) Bronze Star with Valor
Senator Max Cleland (D-GA) Silver Star/Bronze Star
Are they all frauds, Ken?
“Consider the way Saxby Chambliss savaged war hero and triple amputee Max Cleland in the Georgia Senate race of 2002. ”
I haven’t heard about this, but I would like to know more. Can you provide any information on this? Links, perhaps? Also, the dems did quite a job on McCain considering they made fun of his handicap and others spoke that his service didn’t add up to much since he was in a POW camp for most of the war. Very classy.
I haven’t heard about Obama making fun of McCain’s handicap. Link, perhaps?
Here’s the link about Saxby Chambliss and Max Cleland:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2002-11-06-chambliss_x.htm
And here’s the choice quote: “Chambliss even ran a TV ad picturing Cleland with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. ”
The dems own the record of despising the troops from Vietnam up until now, so please spare me any of the “Republicans don’t support the troops!” garbage.
Whatever you say, Ken.
The man may have medals, but he has no honor.
See? Now THAT’S honoring the troops!
By the way, Bush volunteered to serve in Vietnam.
I’d have to see the evidence for that. Bush signed up with the Texas Air National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam. Typical chicken-hawk. Wars are great for business, as long as the underclasses do all the fighting!
Can the libs only trash Bush as a way to defend Obama? I thought this post was about Obama, yet somehow it turned into another “Look what Bush did?!”.
I can understand why you’d want to forget about Bush. His record speaks for itself. But, you see, this war has gone on for 7 years. Obama has been C-in-C for 8 months.
George says: Barack Obama is an equivocator. Equivocation is the worst of all leadership characteristics and can be very dangerous in time of war. It’s to early to talk about re-election and all of that because with media that has lost it’s boundaries journalistic ethics and an electorate that is as dumb as a block of wood, who knows?
Jerrilynn says: I was a big Obama supporter during 2008 and now I’m becoming more and more a critic. I gave a lot of money in tough times and spent hours debating policy with his critics on boards and forums all over the internet. Now the critics are being proven right. On every key issue, the President has either wavered, thrown in with the opposition choosing them over his own party, or continued damaging Bush policies. I see no inspiring agenda. I feel pretty betrayed by him and his buddy Rahm. As one of those moderate Independents who worked hard to get him elected, he won’t get another penny from me, at least not until I see the significant changes that were promised.
Callahan says: Only a grandiose megalomanic thinks he can accomplish what couldn’t be done in a half century of diplomatic efforts before him. I don’t know if any of you feel this way but this has been the most excruciating 9 months of a presidency in my adult life! NK, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etc. all see him for what he is – an impotent, empty suit. I hope the United States hasn’t been blown to Kingdom Come before we can get to the next election and throw his incompetent azz out.
Ken says: “I’m working from the same facts that you are, Ken. I’m just stating the conclusions I drew from them. Here they are:”
However, you are certainly not working with ALL the facts, Dade. Observe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
“A former Delta Force commander, using the pen name “Dalton Fury”, who was present at Tora Bora has revealed in a book that bin Laden escaped into Pakistan on or around December 16, 2001. Fury gives three reasons for why bin Laden was able to escape:
(1) the US mistakenly thought that Pakistan was effectively guarding the border area,
(2) NATO allies refused to allow the use of air-dropped GATOR mines, which would have helped seal bin Laden and his forces inside the Tora Bora area, and
(3) overreliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters.”
So the U.S. trusted Pakistan, a mistake, but they would almost certainly not allow U.S. soldiers on their soil, so they didn’t have much choice.
Second, NATO allies refused to all the use of air dropped mines, no doubt their politically correct views were to blame for this. Thanks NATO! Let’s not forget this was a NATO operation, Iraq was U.S. and you see the outcome.
Third, the reliance on native Afghan military as the MAIN force deployed. Not the only force, Dade. Their were U.S. Special Forces on the ground with them pressing the fight, but their loyalties lied elsewhere. Also, you cannot pour regular troops into the mountains of Afghanistan, you can only use Special Forces and their numbers are not infinite. Should Bush have used more, probably, but saying that he held troops back to use in Iraq with absolutely no other proof is just ridiculous. Read the account of the Special Forces soldier who was THERE.
“I’ve certainly drawn mine.”
Yes, but are they really based on facts or are you seeing what you want because you dislike Bush?
“Are they all frauds, Ken?”
Certainly not, but Kerry is. I also believe my question was why more people in the military are Republican, not democrat. You provided a list of 4 democrats with distinguished military service. Stay focused.
“And here’s the choice quote: “Chambliss even ran a TV ad picturing Cleland with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. ”
Certainly a low thing to do. But apparently Chambliss used Cleland’s own record against him, ousting him from his seat. That’s “savaging”?? One tasteless commercial is your evidence of how Republicans don’t support the troops? That’s pretty pathetic.
“Whatever you say, Ken.”
Yeah, I figured you wouldn’t be able to argue that one, either.
“See? Now THAT’S honoring the troops!”
LOL!!! Yes, that’s it, Dade, because I reminded you how he trashed his fellow soldiers, a complete lie (for the second time), when he got home from Vietnam. Do you call that honorable? You never commented on the dems treatment of McCain during this last election, Dade? Nothing to say?
“I’d have to see the evidence for that. Bush signed up with the Texas Air National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam.”
Sure, no problem:
“a story recently posted on his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, in which he complains of how little mainstream media attention was given to the fact that former President George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam as part of his service in the Texas Air National Guard, but that he was turned down because other pilots were more experienced, and that CBS News producer Mary Mapes, even though she knew this part of the story before the report aired, did not include this important angle in the infamous piece by Dan Rather that used forged documents to paint Bush as trying to avoid Vietnam War service.”
Now HERE’S the choice quote:
“Who says? The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.” When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:
Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.”
Let me know if you need any other information, Dade, be glad to help.
“I can understand why you’d want to forget about Bush.”
Oh, not at all. I just don’t see “It’s Bush’s fault!!” as a reasonable explanation for Obama’s failures, but in your world, I guess it works.
“But, you see, this war has gone on for 7 years. Obama has been C-in-C for 8 months.”
Indeed, but as I and others have already pointed out, Obama said Afghanistan was the “real war” and we needed to focus on it, now he doesn’t seem to have time for his own generals.
Also, how long does someone need to be president before the are officially responsible for their actions?
‘I don’t know if any of you feel this way but this has been the most excruciating 9 months of a presidency in my adult life!’
kindof like a sinister ‘groundhog’s day’ movie? 😉
Stephen says: As identified in the previous thread, Obama is good at making those strong speeches on soldiering on in Afghanistan but we need out of Afghanistan now. Period. No more thinking about it.
He also is dumping single payer before nailing the public option …And there was his voting for FISA after promising not to …
Obama does give a good speech which is a breath of fresh air following Idiot Boy Bush. But it’s the follow-up that is beginning to bother me and it’s becoming too much of a pattern for him.
Ken says: “No more thinking about it.”
That’s it, less thinking!!!
Hey, that could be the dems motto!!!!
“I can understand why you’d want to forget about Bush. His record speaks for itself. But, you see, this war has gone on for 7 years. Obama has been C-in-C for 8 months.”
And let it all go to sht
Gonzales says: When is he working? It is time for everyone to ask why are we paying this man to play so much! Get to work, he spent more time preaching about this health insurance change than it took to create it. I don’t bother to watch any news channels anymore, have stopped listening, have gone numb, to much to much to much!
Ginnys_Mom says: Every President inherits “the mess” from his predecessor. But with Obama, his only excuse for his inabilities, is Bush??? That’s just getting so old and pretty ridiculous. He sounds like a spoiled brat, blaming everyone else for his own failings. Obama has no leadership abilities whatsoever. It seems when he has decisions to make, he runs away and plays like Gonzales says. He’s really pitiful.
lisab says: “I don’t know if any of you feel this way but this has been the most excruciating 9 months of a presidency in my adult life”
oh come on! you guys are only saying that because in 9 months he has bankrupted two of our car companies, a bunch of financial institutions, gone trillions into debt, lost the war in afghanistan, emboldened iran and russia and china and hamas, insulted some of our closest allies britain, israel, poland, the czech republic and taiwan appointed a racist to the supreme court, demoralized our troops, the cia, and the police while going on vacation every other week
you guys are so racist
Says Ken:
However, you are certainly not working with ALL the facts, Dade. Observe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
“A former Delta Force commander, using the pen name “Dalton Fury”, who was present at Tora Bora has revealed in a book that bin Laden escaped into Pakistan on or around December 16, 2001. Fury gives three reasons for why bin Laden was able to escape:
(1) the US mistakenly thought that Pakistan was effectively guarding the border area,
(2) NATO allies refused to allow the use of air-dropped GATOR mines, which would have helped seal bin Laden and his forces inside the Tora Bora area, and
(3) overreliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters.”
(snip)
Again, we’re working from the same set of facts. I’ve read that wikipedia article, too. From there, it’s just a matter of drawing conclusions.
Yes, but are they really based on facts or are you seeing what you want because you dislike Bush?
I could turn that around and ask you the converse. Like Paul Simon says, “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
Certainly not, but Kerry is. I also believe my question was why more people in the military are Republican, not democrat. You provided a list of 4 democrats with distinguished military service. Stay focused.
As Wesley Clarke and Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said: John Kerry, Silver Star winner, earned his right to speak about the Vietnam war.
There was a guy here in Oregon, lifelong republican, (if I remember, his name was Larry Thurlow) who came out during the campaign in support of Kerry. He said Kerry saved his life by pulling him out of the river under fire.
But you don’t want to believe that, do you?
“See? Now THAT’S honoring the troops!”
LOL!!! Yes, that’s it, Dade, because I reminded you how he trashed his fellow soldiers, a complete lie (for the second time), when he got home from Vietnam. Do you call that honorable? You never commented on the dems treatment of McCain during this last election, Dade? Nothing to say?
I don’t remember Obama trashing McCain because of his handicap. Do you have a link?
“I’d have to see the evidence for that. Bush signed up with the Texas Air National Guard to avoid going to Vietnam.”
“a story recently posted on his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, in which he complains of how little mainstream media attention was given to the fact that former President George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam as part of his service in the Texas Air National Guard, but that he was turned down because other pilots were more experienced, and that CBS News producer Mary Mapes, even though she knew this part of the story before the report aired, did not include this important angle in the infamous piece by Dan Rather that used forged documents to paint Bush as trying to avoid Vietnam War service.”
From BernardGoldberg.com, eh? Well… yeah, sure… that’s ONE data point… sort of…
Funny how Junior didn’t think to mention it himself, eh?
“I can understand why you’d want to forget about Bush.”
Oh, not at all. I just don’t see “It’s Bush’s fault!!” as a reasonable explanation for Obama’s failures, but in your world, I guess it works.
“But, you see, this war has gone on for 7 years. Obama has been C-in-C for 8 months.”
Indeed, but as I and others have already pointed out, Obama said Afghanistan was the “real war” and we needed to focus on it, now he doesn’t seem to have time for his own generals.
Also, how long does someone need to be president before the are officially responsible for their actions?
Right now. Obama is president right now and he’s responsible. But, let’s face it… he got dealt a shitty hand.
Ken says: “Again, we’re working from the same set of facts. I’ve read that wikipedia article, too. From there, it’s just a matter of drawing conclusions.”
No, Dade, its yet another case of you ignoring certain facts so that you can justify your “conclusions”. Nothing new there. You calimed and I quote:
“3) The US military was held back from the Tora Bora offensive, leaving the fighting to the allied Afghan tribesmen.”
You were wrong. The article said Special Forces were on the ground pushing the fight, but they were unable due to the loyalties of the Afghan tribesman. You also apparently missed this part of the article:
“at one point Fury reports that his team was within 2,000 yards of bin Laden’s suspected position, but withdrew because of uncertainty over the number of al-Qaeda fighters guarding bin Laden and a lack of support from allied Afghan troops.”
The Special Forces withdrew, which means they had to be there to begin with.
“I could turn that around and ask you the converse. Like Paul Simon says, “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.””
You could ask, but as usual, I have more facts on my side than you do.
“As Wesley Clarke and Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said: John Kerry, Silver Star winner, earned his right to speak about the Vietnam war.”
Once again, you’re changing the subject. My question was why are so many in the military Republican rather than democrat. You spouting off names of the exeptions, rather than the rule, doesn’t prove anything. Here’s something to help you understand what I’m saying:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe43.html
“Compared to the US public at large, the military considers itself clearly more conservative and Republican, according to the survey, which might be the first to measure the political and related beliefs of a broad cross-section of active-duty enlisted personnel and officers in the major services.”
So, again, why do you think that is???
“I don’t remember Obama trashing McCain because of his handicap. Do you have a link?”
No, Dade, I said democrats, not Obama. Although many prominent Obama supporters had plenty to say. Here are just a few, the first is from your buddy Clark:
“Clark responded: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”
You stay classy, Clark!!!
“George McGovern said: “If I’d be allowed just one little dig at Senator McCain, since he gave me. I would say, ‘John, you were shot down early in the war and spent most of the time in prison. I flew 35 combat missions with a 10-man crew and brought them home safely every time.'”
So he is basically saying that since McCain was in a prison cell for most of the war, his service doesn’t really count. That’s honorable, huh?
“McCain was a fighter pilot, who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit,” Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va. said.
“What happened when they [the missiles] get to the ground? He doesn’t know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues.”
A prominent local Barack Obama backer bashed John McCain’s military record Monday, calling the Republican presidential candidate a “self-promoter.”
He said his “heart grieves” for McCain’s suffering as a POW.
“After that,” Gillespie said, “he was somewhat of a celebrity and it went to his head. … I think he was a self-promoter for the last four years (in the Navy.)
Asked to cite specific examples, Gillespie responded, “I don’t have one right now.”
Gillespie didn’t “have one right now”, what a shock! So since you are able to make the statement that Repulbicans don’t support the troops because of one stupid commercial, I can certainly claim that the dems don’t support the troops because of these statements, right?
Were these democrats “savaging” McCain????
“From BernardGoldberg.com, eh? Well… yeah, sure… that’s ONE data point… sort of…”
When you can’t argue the point, attack the source! I’ll take that as a concession. Glad I could help you learn something new.
“Right now. Obama is president right now and he’s responsible. But, let’s face it… he got dealt a shitty hand.”
I don’t think so, but if that helps the Obama supporters defend his holiness as he trots off to Copenhagen to try to secure the Olympics for Chicago in 2016, rather than work on Afghanistan, I understand.
“Again, we’re working from the same set of facts. I’ve read that wikipedia article, too. From there, it’s just a matter of drawing conclusions.”
No, Dade, its yet another case of you ignoring certain facts so that you can justify your “conclusions”. Nothing new there.
*snip
The Special Forces withdrew, which means they had to be there to begin with.
Special Forces. But most US forces were held back. You can say what you want about tactical necessity, but to me that is just a mitigation of Bush’s mishandling of the situation. Why were Afghan tribesmen involved at all? Why were they trusted with a military operation that was vital to the security of the United States?
“I could turn that around and ask you the converse. Like Paul Simon says, “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.””
You could ask, but as usual, I have more facts on my side than you do.
Whatever. If you feel you must…
*snip
“Compared to the US public at large, the military considers itself clearly more conservative and Republican, according to the survey, which might be the first to measure the political and related beliefs of a broad cross-section of active-duty enlisted personnel and officers in the major services.”
So, again, why do you think that is???
Well, I can’t answer that. Nor does this piece that you quote seem to offer any answers. But, let me go ahead and guess why you think it is so:
(ahem)’Cause Republicans support the troops, you libtard!
Right?
“I don’t remember Obama trashing McCain because of his handicap. Do you have a link?”
No, Dade, I said democrats, not Obama. Although many prominent Obama supporters had plenty to say. Here are just a few, the first is from your buddy Clark:
“Clark responded: “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.”
So where did Clarke attack McCain’s handicap? Did you leave that part out by accident?
“George McGovern said: “If I’d be allowed just one little dig at Senator McCain, since he gave me. I would say, ‘John, you were shot down early in the war and spent most of the time in prison. I flew 35 combat missions with a 10-man crew and brought them home safely every time.’”
So he is basically saying that since McCain was in a prison cell for most of the war, his service doesn’t really count. That’s honorable, huh?
See above.
*snip
“From BernardGoldberg.com, eh? Well… yeah, sure… that’s ONE data point… sort of…”
When you can’t argue the point, attack the source! I’ll take that as a concession. Glad I could help you learn something new.
As if I haven’t seen you do the same thing a thousand times! Sheesh!
“Right now. Obama is president right now and he’s responsible. But, let’s face it… he got dealt a shitty hand.”
I don’t think so, but if that helps the Obama supporters defend his holiness as he trots off to Copenhagen to try to secure the Olympics for Chicago in 2016, rather than work on Afghanistan, I understand.
Please point out to me where I have unduly lauded Obama. No sir, I’m afraid you can’t. My opinions are not so much in support of Obama as they are expressions of revulsion toward Republicans.
Accidental bolding of part of my reply. Corrected:
“Compared to the US public at large, the military considers itself clearly more conservative and Republican, according to the survey, which might be the first to measure the political and related beliefs of a broad cross-section of active-duty enlisted personnel and officers in the major services.”
So, again, why do you think that is???
Well, I can’t answer that. Nor does this piece that you quote seem to offer any answers. But, let me go ahead and guess why you think it is so:
(ahem)’Cause Republicans support the troops, you libtard!
Right?
Ken says: “Why were Afghan tribesmen involved at all? Why were they trusted with a military operation that was vital to the security of the United States?”
Because they knew they layout of the land, Dade. They knew the hiding spots and how to get to them, which they did. What do you think, that they were going to drop Special Forces soliders in the middle of the mountains of Afghanistan with Google maps???? They took the Special Forces soldiers straight to the spot.
“But most US forces were held back.”
Once again, Special Forces were the only ones that could be used in this area. You cannot use standard infantry in mountainous terrain. You have NO evidence that major forces were held back in order to invade Iraq. That’s the bottom line.
“Whatever. If you feel you must…”
Another concession. Thank you.
“So where did Clarke attack McCain’s handicap? Did you leave that part out by accident? ”
Oh no, I’m sorry. I added that to show how they mocked McCain’s service, something you think only Republicans do. Again, trying to teach you something new.
Here’s a story about the mocking of his handicap:
http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/09/12/mocking-mccains-war-injuries/
“Turns out the charge about McCain not even being “in touch” enough to use e-mail is because he was tortured so badly he has trouble using a keyboard for any length of time so his family does the email and web surfing for him.”
Very nice!!! From an Obama campaign commercial, no less!!! So how will you dismiss this one, Dade? I’m curious.
“As if I haven’t seen you do the same thing a thousand times! Sheesh!”
I have? Which ones? Please be specific. It’s seems all you can do is comment with vague generalities with no sources. Unless, of course, you are using your own blog as a “source”. If someone uses an editiorial from the Huffington Post, you can bet I’ll discount it. However, Goldberg was quoting a real live document that actually exists.
“Please point out to me where I have unduly lauded Obama. No sir, I’m afraid you can’t. My opinions are not so much in support of Obama as they are expressions of revulsion toward Republicans.”
Looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, Dade, know what I mean? You NEVER criticize the dems on this site. You are the first one to slam the Republicans and defend the dems, much like you have been doing during this debate, but then you claim that you’re not “lauding” Mr. Obama? Please.
“But, let me go ahead and guess why you think it is so:
(ahem)’Cause Republicans support the troops, you libtard!
Right?”
I agree with the part about Republicans supporting the troops, but I don’t like the term “libtard” at all, I never use it.
Just the fact that you can’t answer the question is enough for me.
Two quick points:
1) I’d have to go back through the archives of this blog to find specifics, but I do remember you pooh-poohing something that was referenced from the Hardball show by saying “What do you expect from Chris Matthews?”
I agree that Chris Matthews is an idiot, but he’s no more or less dumb than Bernie Goldberg, for Christ’s sake!
2) You’d be wrong it you assumed I’m a huge Obama supporter. I’d like to see where I have defended the Democrats. Democrats are cowardly, shameful hypocrites, with only one meager virtue: they’re slightly better than Republicans.
Well, I have enjoyed this debate, but I’m afraid I must beg your pardon and adjourn. I have to take my wife to the doctor.
We’ll go at it again some other time.
No Comments