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nidal hasan has never been to war. he’s been to virginia, maryland, and texas. he does not have ptsd or even pre-ptsd. he’s been a fricken shrink – and apparently, not a very good one.
reportedly he was a quiet man who attended mosque daily yet there were so many clues. many are saying he appeared calm and methodical as he yelled out ‘allah akbar’ before starting to shoot young soldiers at ft hood.
make no mistake, this is not about being anti-war.
when you’re objectively on the side of the enemy, you have no business being an american soldier. this is such a failure of key systems in our country to understand what we’re up against with terrorism. and for gosh sakes, call it what it is: a terrorist attack on american soil – the largest since 9/11 – and quit looking for excuses.
David says: Abso-****ing-lutely!
I’m sure that the main stream media is going to report all the facts…. NOT. I’ve heard that this guy praised suicide bombers, I’ve heard that this guy handed out korans on the morning of the attacks, I understand that this guy yelled “Allahu Akba” (sp?) when he began taking the lives of brave American servicemen & women.
Will ANY of this be discussed by ANYone other than FOX, I wonder? Will excuses be made, like, “well, he was ‘teased’ for his religion or ethnicity, etc.”?? (Sheesh! Remember, all – from our CHILDHOOD, even…. “Sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS SHALL NEVER HURT ME”. Why is it that people these days are SO freakin’ weak? What’s with this “pansy-fication” of America/world?)
Jane says: We need to look at our own actions here. This was an American citizen. We must stop being a nation that gets involved in endless unnecessary wars. We also must confront the destruction that we cause instead of seeing ourselves as the great protector and liberator. We have got to work on reconciliation with others in the world that we have wronged LIKE THE PALESTINIANS. We are not better then anyone else. If we don’t do these things, we shall see more Ft Hood’s in the future.
Ken says: Once again, Jane and the dems play the “blame America first” game.
Pathetic.
PenniePan says: “when you’re objectively on the side of the enemy, you have no business being an american soldier.”
And you can say that with authority from who? All you are is a narrow-minded right wing housewife blabbing away on a blog. These are very complex issues and clearly there are mental health issues involved and some sloppy supervision in the Army. Why don’t you stop and think sometimes about that before being so quick to shout terrorism and muslim in the same breath?
Paul says: It’s unrealistic to think you have peace at home when you are fighting 2 wars especially when you’re basically fighting gorilla-style combat. This should have been caught by his military supervisors long before it was carried out.
They knew he was a problem when he was a captain yet they promoted him to Major. Why?
Scarlett says: You didn’t tell the whole story about Nasan. He had been trying to get out of the military since 9/11. He couldn’t. He was being harrassed by anti-muslims in the military. Now he’ll spend the rest of his life in a military jail.
David says: You’re right on it, Ken. No country is perfect; no country CAN be perfect. But the dems/libs constantly blame the USA like it’s some sort of “satan” nation out to ruin the world.
P.S. Jane, what was the last peace treaty that the Palestinians held to? How many have they BROKEN? Countless. THAT’S being cooperative? THAT’S being peaceful? THAT’S worthy of further support in good faith??
David says: Paul, I generally agree that “this should have been caught by his military supervisors” – but how would that have come out in this day of overbearing Political Correctness??? His bosses (apparently) felt hamstrung by this wimpy societies slavish dedication to PC.
Can you imagine if the papers reported that the military was “taking action against a muslim doctor because he was showing signs of radical mulsimosity?” The MSM would have torn them apart!!! They’re damned if they do and they’re damned if they don’t, in this current American/world society.
Back in the day – the era of a SPADE is a SPADE and the TRUTH is the TRUTH – the military supervisors probably WOULD have taken care of it before anything came of it. But the bleeding heart libs have so infiltrated society/government/military(?) that they probably felt that they couldn’t act. That is just plain SAD and UNacceptable.
BTW, I understand that he was commissioned as a Capt. because he ‘went to college and completed’ his degree…. and that he was “promoted” to Major when he selected/completed a specialty in his medical area – psychiatry. Both of those ranks are ‘automatic’ promotions in that respect & that’s why they occurred. They weren’t based upon ‘merit’, per se, like the promotions that the public hears about the most.
David says: Scarlett said, “You didn’t tell the whole story about Nasan. He had been trying to get out of the military since 9/11. He couldn’t. He was being harrassed by anti-muslims in the military. Now he’ll spend the rest of his life in a military jail.”
Soooo, I have some questions:
1) He “couldn’t get out” of his signed contract, so he thought that KILLIING was the answer???
2) It’s been 8 years since 9/11/01. What was preventing him from getting out? How much longer did he have to go?
3) WHY was he being “harrassed” by anti-muslims? Is it because he was “harrassing” others and he liked to GIVE but he couldn’t take?? I understand that he was trying to convert his medical patients to Islam! Did you know that? He was reprimanded for that ‘harrassment’, you know.
4) SHOULDN’T he spend the rest of his life in jail? I mean, he DID what he DID. He KILLED indiscriminately. He made his bed; now he’s got to lie in it. THAT’S not right?? That’s not correct?? What’s wRoNg with that? I mean, really, what’s onerous about that?
democratsarefascists says: A clear case of “Too Much Compassion for Jihadists Fatigue.”
Ours.
As for Scarlett, tell your friends at CAIR you did your best, then get lost.
Ken says: “some sloppy supervision in the Army.”
“This should have been caught by his military supervisors long before it was carried out.”
Absolutely, I agree with both of you. It will be interesting to see with all the warning signs if this was a case of political correctness run amok. I have a sneaking suspicion, but that’s all it is, that they knew about this guys views and activities, but may have hesitated to take action for fear of being labeled “Islamaphobes”. I pray this is not the case, because if it is then political correctness just cost 12 people their lives. We shall see.
As far as his being a Muslim, let’s stop pretending, ok? From everything we have heard so far this guy had a deep seething anger at the U.S. and the military. Why? Because he was a Muslim and believed the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong. Reports are he was trying to get out, and if that’s true then the Army has some more explaining to do. However, that doesn’t change the fact that his religious views probably set him off.
With that said, this is not an indictment of Islam. This should not be used to say “See, they’re all evil!”. As I have stated before I worked beside Muslims in Iraq and some of the translators I worked with were heroically brave. They hated the insurgents for what they had done to their country and risked their lives on a daily basis just working beside Americans. Many Muslim groups have already condemned what Hasan has done:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572588,00.html
“Abdul-Rashid Abdullah, deputy director of the American Muslim Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs Council…..Abdullah said his organization, which condemned the “unspeakable” attack, serves “several thousand” Muslim soldiers.
Nawar Shora, legal director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, expressed his sympathies to the victims and their relatives on Friday…..”We were all shocked at the tragedy yesterday at Fort Hood and the act of cowardice by the attacker,” Shora said. “We were all attacked yesterday. Let’s remember that this was an attack on all Americans and it’s a time for all Americans to come together in unity and in faith.”
Alejandro Beutel, government liaison for the Muslim Public Affairs Council, said the Muslim-American community is “appalled” by the incident……”We unequivocally denounce this heinous act against our brave men and women serving in the military to protect our country,” Beutel said. “We pray for [the victims’] well-being and for the safety of the entire nation.”
This was a tragedy, an absolute tragedy. Let’s hope we can learn how it happened and make sure that it never happens again. Let us mourn and honor the dead and give strength to their families. However, while America itself is a forgiving and tolerant nation, these things should not be taken advantage of to kill Americans.
lisab says: “We have got to work on reconciliation with others in the world that we have wronged LIKE THE PALESTINIANS. We are not better then anyone else.”
we are actually better than most of the other countries. well … not you obviously … but most of us.
there are reasons why the usa has been able to progress more in 390 years than countries such as egypt have progressed in 4,000. that is not to single out egypt as a particularly bad country either. like most of the developing world they simply are a little behind on things like … oh … indoor plumbing.
lisab says: “We must stop being a nation that gets involved in endless unnecessary wars. ” jane
it is not an unnecessary war, the world cannot afford the price that will come due if afghanistan slides back into chaos or al qaeda operates unchecked.
Scarlett says: Lisa you’re a real nit are you? THE WAR IS ALREADY HERE. If it can happen at a Army base – one of the biggest in the country, it can happen anywhere in the states. This isn’t politics. It’s policies, policies against muslims and in favor of Israel that have been propagated by neocons. These policies have cost lives. We never want to talk about it in this country because of all of the right wingers who go ballistic and call us unpatriotic. Instead, you all would rather discuss balloon boy or some silly marine contest.
David says: Scarlett, the price that lisab is referring to is not a sporatic, localized conflict as is being experienced in Afghanistan – the war there. It’s the global-affecting TERRORISM that would “come due” if things aren’t diffused properly.
Also, please note that policies in defense of Israel are not necessarily ‘against’ Muslims. Unless the defense of a nation such as Israel ‘gets under the skin’ of those who would like to see it DESTROYED. Personally, i LIKE policies that protect a people from destruction – be it Israelis or Bosnian Muslims or Palestinians or U.S. Citizens.
And regarding who is covering & gossiping all over TV and such about balloon boy – that’s ALL the media. Certainly not JUST conservative media. Sheesh. As a matter of fact, it’s outlets like FOX that pay closer attention to REAL, TRUTHful news anyway.
P.S. The raising of money for American soldiers grievously wounded in battle is HARDLY a “silly Marine contest” – if that’s what you were referring to.
lisab says: lol — my post is a direct quote of obama’s 🙂
“the world cannot afford the price that will come due if afghanistan slides back into chaos or al qaeda operates unchecked.” bho
sooooooooooooo … obama is a nit eh?
i think scarlett goes to re-education camp number 4 for that remark.
if for no other reason, she forgot to memorize all of dear leader’s speeches — (may allah’s blessings and peace be upon him).
“Instead, you all would rather discuss balloon boy or some silly marine contest.”
excuse me scarlett… i try to stay out of your babble but i feel compelled to help you understand something about the “silly marine contest” you refer to.
ever had a body part blown off because of an ied? or how about blinded by mortar fire? or what about being a quadriplegic because of multiple bullets fired into your body from a terrorist’s gun?
‘the silly marine contest’ is to provide a specialized laptop so vets recovering from catastrophic wounds they received – protecting your sorry arse in battle i might add – can stay in touch with family and friends. it helps with their recovery. it gives them hope (real hope not hopechangery) that their life when they’re out of the hospital will be a good one.
i hope that helps clear things up for you. and yes, we want even your money to help them, in spite of your rabid stupidity.
Jared says: No matter if there is mental illness involved or not, this guy yelled “Allah Akbar” and that was enough for me. It was domestic terrorism. Do I think we need to work on our policies regarding the Israel Palestinian issue? Yes. But this was terrorism. He’ll pay for what he did every day in military prison for the rest of his life. He’ll wish he had died yesterday.
BananaRepublic says: We are hated around the world being Americans more so in the last 2 decades. Like Jane said, stop poking our noses in other countries’ business and resolve our own issues first. The wars have caused more than 10% of unemployment today. We could have soften the blow of an economic crisis had it not been our trillions of dollars in debt. Thanks to the “wars” with middle easterns…hmmmph. Wake up America…be ONE nation. Nobody elected us to be the leader of all governments around the world. We have enough problems ourselves to resolve. We have become weaker spending our resources everywhere but America! As much as I hate terrorism, I hate the paranoid world we live in trying to poke our noses using our military around the world in fear of potential terrorist attack (we are overdoing it). It makes it unsafe for all Americans to even travels. Thanks for making us more enemies. Sorry for digressing from the issue, all here are mere speculations about the attacker. If it is confirmed that it was a terrorist attack, shameful to say this but why are we sending troops to other countries to fight terrorism when we cannot even protect our own backyard.
Ken says: “It’s policies, policies against muslims and in favor of Israel that have been propagated by neocons.”
Scarlett you once again show yourself to be completely ignorant of history. Tell me, Scarlett, who were we “attacking” on 9/11? Not a single soldier set foot in Iraq or Afghanistan so please tell me what the “neocons” did that brought 9/11. We had just come off of the Clinton administration, one of the most pacifistic admins in quite a while (barring the current one) so what were they avenging?
Muslim terrorism has been around since the 1970’s and trying to blame Republicans for that just shows how truly clueless you really are, not that anyone needed any further proof.
“Instead, you all would rather discuss balloon boy or some silly marine contest.”
Yes, a silly contest to help aid soldiers who are wounded in battle. You are quickly reaching the level of Pennie in your total idiocy, Scarlett, congratulations. You have no concept of reality, whatsoever.
“The wars have caused more than 10% of unemployment today.”
LOL!! That’s the best one I have heard yet!! Tell us, banana, how exactly have the wars CAUSED unemployment and please back that up with some links, I’d love to hear that one.
“We have enough problems ourselves to resolve.”
Neville Chamberlain, 1939. When will you people learn that shoving your head up your ass, isn’t a foreign policy. Did we not learn that from WW II, or more recently 9/11????? What does it take to convince you?
“Thanks for making us more enemies.”
Well, gosh, banana I thought you zombies told us the world would love us again if we put Barack “Citizen of the World” Obama in office? What happened to that? Read my previous statement genius. 9/11 came to our shores before we ever went into Iraq or Afghanistan so try again. Can you nutcases ever be original?
“Sorry for digressing from the issue,”
No apology necessary, we’re used to rambling, babbling, ignorant, fact starved rants from leftist apologists.
BananaRepublic says: LOL..Ken do you work for Fox News? You sound like Glenn Beck. Maybe Glenn Beck should run for Presidency near election. Fox seem to know all about running the government anyway, right. 🙂
I am not gonna co-relate 10% unemployment to money spent at war. Go get a REAL education apart from watch scums on entertainment tv (“news channel wannabes”). “Back them up with some links?” Dude..I am not an information junkie like you. Seriously, go get an education! A little hint… taxpayer’s money burnt on weapon could be used to finance your education if you are broke like most Americans today. (At least you would be smarter than quoting some link or Fox News…lol)
Anyway, your comments are trivial. I am not gonna waste my time defending on a ego-maniac on a power trip…:)
Ken says: “LOL..Ken do you work for Fox News?”
Nope, do you work for CNN, Newsweek, Time, MSNBC, The New York Times, NBC, CBS, or ABC? Because your posts consisted of nothing but regurgitated democrat talking points. It doesn’t seem your bright enough to think on your own, so you must have someone else do it for you.
“I am not gonna co-relate 10% unemployment to money spent at war.”
Is that leftist talk for “I can’t back up what I’m saying.”?? I understand, really.
“Dude..I am not an information junkie like you.”
Ahhh, so again, you can’t back up your idiotic statements. Again, it happens all the time around here. I find it hysterical that you think being able to back up your stance is being “an information junkie”. I guess that would make you an “information anorexic”, huh?
“A little hint… taxpayer’s money burnt on weapon could be used to finance your education if you are broke like most Americans today.”
Here’s a big hint for you, banana. The trillion dollars that Obama has pissed away on the stimulus that did NOTHING for our economy could have also financed a lot of things, but you don’t sound to upset about that. Hypocrite.
“At least you would be smarter than quoting some link or Fox News”
At least I have a link to quote. You’re the typical clueless, brainwashed zombie that we see around here all the time. You cannot back up any of your statements and when someone asks you to, you simply attack. Come to think of it, do you work for the White House? You sound just like they do.
“Anyway, your comments are trivial.”
Of course they are to you, banana. You can’t answer any of my questions or challenges so you dismiss them as “trivial”. I feel sorry for you, I really do. Your living in darkness and you seem to prefer it that way.
“I am not gonna waste my time defending on a ego-maniac on a power trip…:)”
That’s it little troll, run back under your bridge and go to the Huffington Post to get your next set of talking post. Pathetic.
Try thinking for yourself sometime, banana. It’s actually pretty fun.
BananaRepublic says: My prayers are with the families of the victims of the attack. It is clear that we are unprepared for attacks within the United States. Deaf ears to red flag indicators of a potential attack.
BananaRepublic says: Ken or is it Fox? Have you used the Google Search engine? .. I don’t have to back my facts with links you dim-wit.
You obviously failed math in school…lol. Before you talk about the stimulus funds Obama burnt, find out how much has been expended. Not the Fox-version idiot. lol
I do think for myself and it is quite fun but I suggest you stick to FOX News because you might hurt yourself in the process…lol. What a loser..!
Ken says: “I don’t have to back my facts with links you dim-wit. ”
That’s easy to say when you don’t actually have any facts.
“Before you talk about the stimulus funds Obama burnt, find out how much has been expended.”
Gosh, I’d love to, banana, why don’t you provide a link that tells us all about it!
“I do think for myself and it is quite fun but I suggest you stick to FOX News because you might hurt yourself in the process…lol. What a loser..!”
Hmmm, you seem to have an obsession with Fox News…..hey, wait a minute!! Is that you Obama?!?!? Talk about a loser.
BananaRepublic says: Ken – “Is that you Obama?” Yeah it is me you little-turd-that-drove-a-truck-in-Iraq-for 3-years at base. *yawn* I have reached my threshold of responding to this cry baby…lol.
Jesus. 13 innocent people were slaughtered and 30 remain injured, fighting for their lives.
This isn’t about politics – it’s about the actions of a man who wrote about supporting suicide bombers, who walked around for the last 2 weeks dressed and acting like an Islamic martyr-in-waiting.
Fact: the killer is a Muslim.
Fact: the dead are all Americans.
Anything else is just bullshit. Have some respect.
David says: Banana… hate to say it but your digging yourself deeper with each (informationless) post…
David says: Kris & sja have stated two truths.
David says: Banana, did you just DIS ken for his military service??? Is that what your “truck in Iraq at base” comment was about?
Ken says: “Yeah it is me you little-turd-that-drove-a-truck-in-Iraq-for 3-years at base.”
That’s funny I don’t remember seeing you there. You probably behind your little keyboard screaming at your computer about how much you hate Bush. Another keyboard commando. So sad.
“I have reached my threshold of responding to this cry baby…lol.”
That’s it, run away little girl, like all of your kind who scatter whenever someone whips out facts and truth. Your nothing but another hit and run poster who can’t back up idiotic claims. Like I said, nothing new here.
I do find the “crybaby” part funny considering you were the one whining about the eeeeeeeevil United States and the unemployment that you somehow tied to the wars. I think you would fit right in at the “Whine House”, why dont you pick up an application. After all, they have Taj as an advisor, how much worse can you be??
How is this any more a terrorist attack than the attack that occurred on July 27, 2008 in Powell, TN? Or the one that happened earlier this year at the National Holocaust Museum? Or the murder of Dr. George Tiller? Or the murder of the census worker in Daniel Boone National Forest in September?
Why is Hasan a terrorist, but James Adkisson or Scott Roeder or Timothy McVeigh are not?
Hypocrisy.
Dade – I didn’t hear anyone here say that the likes of Timothy McVeigh weren’t terrorists. McVeigh certainly was.
Hasan yelled Allahu Akbar as he shot people; he walked around in martyr dress for 2 weeks before his rampage. He wrote about jihad and the support of suicide bombers.
It looks like a duck; walks like a duck; sounds like a duck.
Well – it is a duck.
By “terrorist,” I assume you mean “Muslim.” You call McVeigh a terrorist. But no mention of “Christians” Scott Roeder or Jim Adkisson.
Ugly. Very ugly.
BikerDan says: Well brother when you equate suicide bombers with what’s “right” , give away your belongings, and yell out “Allahu Akbar” as per the directives of 9/11 terrorist Mohammed Atta because “it strikes fear in the heart of the infidel”, its hard to call it anything other then terrorism.
BikerDan says: I also want to say that as a combat Vet, its a bunch os BS to think that listening to war stories gives you PTSD.
Well, BikerDan,
When an anti-abortionist freak bombed a women’s healtcare clinic because he wanted to “give Jesus a birthday present” is that terrorism?
Ken says: I actually agree with Dade, to a certain point. I don’t think this was terrorism, this was one man who snapped and went on a shooting spree. Did his religion have anything to do with it? Sure, but this was an act of hatred not a political statement, in my opinion. I know he was against the wars, but this was not a coordinated and planned event through many people.
I do have one question for you Dade. Why is it that you are more than willing to lump all conservatives in together as “violent” by the acts of very few?? I quote you from a previous post:
“the conservative movement is dead set against gay marriage, fanatical (to the point of murder and terror bombings) about abortion”
See? You didn’t point out that it was the acts of very few, but rather it was “the conservative movement”.
Yet, you are not willing to do so even though there have been thousands of acts of Muslim extremism that have killed thousands of people in recent years.
It seems you have a bit of hypocrisy yourself.
a terrorist act doesn’t have to be part of a coordinated and planned event through many people does it? this was at the least premeditated for he gave away his personal belongings, purchased weaponry, and had voiced opinions that were definitely radicalized. and if he had done none of these things, yelling ‘allah akbar’ is hardly your everyday murder lingo.
Well, Ken, you’ve hoisted me upon my own petard, as the saying goes. Well done!
Kate, it doesn’t really matter what Hasan said, does it? He is a deranged killer. His motives are, by definition, irrational. Who cares why he did it?
There is nothing to distinguish one mad gunman from another. In the United States, we ought to be used to this by now. Occasionally, someone snaps and goes to a public place to start killing people randomly. It happens a couple of times every year.
I don’t see how it matters that the madman is a Muslim any more than if he had been a Christian or a Jew. Plenty of madness to go around!
PenniePan says: Nice smackdown Dade.
Kate it is well documented on your own blog that you see a terrorist behind every tree. So this silliness about Hasan’s mental illness being terrorism instead is not unexpected from you in the least. What is interesting is to see Ken go against you. HA! Breaking new ground on Blatherings! Faux News Alert everyone! But it’s ok. We slightly like you in very teeny doses anyway.
Ken says: “What is interesting is to see Ken go against you. ”
Pennie, once again, you are completely clueless. I’m not “going against kate”. It’s a matter of opinion, nobody is right or wrong. That’s something you will never understand because of your blind, babbling, zombie like loyalty to the democrats.
Grow up.
“We slightly like you in very teeny doses anyway.”
That’s interesting because I can’t stand you at all.
BananaRepublic says: Kate -“this was at the least premeditated for he gave away his personal belongings, purchased weaponry, and had voiced opinions that were definitely radicalized. and if he had done none of these things, yelling ‘allah akbar’ is hardly your everyday murder lingo.”
Kate sorry but the last I checked, America was multi-cultural. “Allah akbar” means praise the lord in arabic. (or close by the definition from what was reported on the news). That spells murder in English? 🙂 He is a murderer no doubt. No one has the right to kill but your red flag was a foreign language that’s translated to Praise the Lord? He could have been saying that knowing he was going to die.
Once again, I am not defending the guy. With all due respect to the people that died, it was a horrific event. But what is really shocking is to see all the dim wit, clueless, ignorant buffoons that come out of their shells to educate the world about other cultures the way they understand it after this loathing fiasco.
Well, if he was mentally insane, that might be something else but I don’t see any psychiatrist blogging here…or is there any? 🙂
Ken – “I think you would fit right in at the “Whine House”, why dont you pick up an application. After all, they have Taj as an advisor, how much worse can you be??”
No sh$t Sherlock! Maybe I do work for the White House. Besides, you once again proved your depth of knowledge by backing up with “facts” as you called …”Taj”..lol. i can’t wait to see your boyfriend “David” come to your rescue again. lol. I’d say you gave the Bush Administration 3 terms (Senior and Jr). So why don’t you shut up now and let the man do his job! 🙂
Dade, your analogy of the topic was spot on. Thanks for sharing the relevant examples which makes it clearer that certain individuals scream out terrorist the minute they cannot pronounce a name. What a paranoid society we live in…..
lisab says: not to take sides … but just to lay out the facts
hasan was a sworn in officer
in the usa army
on a military base (i.e. on federal property, not state property)
who fired on fellow soldiers
and at least one usa civilian
killing and wounding dozens
while disobeying standing orders
and probably lawfully given orders if they also ordered him to stop during the fight
arguably while abetting the enemy
possibly being a mutineer, spy and traitor.
the guy is facing a military trial and about 40 death sentences. it is not like civilian court. the guy is almost certainly a dead man.
basically his only chance is to be found certifiably insane
or
obama commutes his sentence.
lisab says: btw … there is no “he just snapped” defense in the military justice system. twinkies won’t save this guy.
in the military the defense has to basically prove the guy was insane at the time of the shooting AND did not appreciate what he was doing.
since he planned his actions, it is doubtful that it will work.
BananaRepublic says: Lisab you are absolutely right that he planned the attack (instead of going crazy on the day itself) which makes it really sick. However, the mentally sick can plan a murder of innocent people. Running amok in a stint alone is not the only kind that can be considered mentally ill.
Once again, I wish someone with some credible experience on the field can share their thoughts.
lisab says: ““when you’re objectively on the side of the enemy, you have no business being an american soldier.” kate
“And you can say that with authority from who? All you are is a narrow-minded right wing housewife blabbing away on a blog. ” Pennie Pan
ummmmmm … i know you are a democrat and all, but isn’t what kate wrote fairly self-evident?
lisab says: “He was being harrassed by anti-muslims in the military. Now he’ll spend the rest of his life in a military jail.”
technically true … but his life will be cut short when they strap him down on a table and inject poison into his body.
military trials are not like civilian trials.
his only real chance is obama commutes his sentence. otherwise he is dead.
lisab says: actually, i meant the part about him spending the rest of his life in a military jail is technically true.
however, his life will be short.
Dade;
“Who cares why he did it? ”
Hmmm…
A few months back Napolitano issues a warning to the country in her homeland security report to look out for guys like me and you want to know why anyone should care why he did it ?
I’ll tell you why.
If this is any sign of how this administration is conducting its surviellance on people like Hasan with a million red flags flying all over the place then they’d better get busy finding out why he did it or were all up sht creek.
All we need is one more radical Muslim nutjob like this getting next to some serious weaponry, chemicals etc and we could be looking at a monumental catastrophy.
Is that good enough reason to want to know why he did it ?
Again, it doesn’t matter if the nutjob getting next to some serious weaponry is Muslim or Christian or Rastafarian (all though that last one seems particularly unlikely). A nutjob is a nutjob.
And, BTW, before you start ragging on Obama, let’s make note of the multiple arrests and plot interruptions that have been occuring lately, now that we have an actual Attorney General in Eric Holder and not a stooge like Ashcroft/Gonzales/Mukasey.
As I said before, in this country, once or twice a year, somebody goes nuts and starts killing people. Too many examples to bother citing any one in particular.
Unless, of course, one wants to hate Muslims. Then the Fort Hood incident becomes “terrorism” instead of just another symptom of a society going mad.
Hey Bannana.
Kamikazi pilots used to yell “Banzai!”, a war cry right before they crashed their planes into American ships. Its also used a cheer during a Sake toast.
The guy was an an English speaking American.
Do you not think that crying out Allah Akbar right when he began shooting is a little conspicuous ?
Do you think the true wishs of Allah were for him to commit this terrorist act ?
Seems more to me that he was applying the warped version of “praise God” like most of the others that have killed thousands of our people, dont you ?
“He could have been saying that knowing he was going to die. ”
Yeah, just like every suicide/homicide bomber does right before he hits the button
“Dade, your analogy of the topic was spot on. Thanks for sharing the relevant examples which makes it clearer that certain individuals scream out terrorist the minute they cannot pronounce a name. What a paranoid society we live in…..”
Not at all dude.
Many high ranking military spokespersons and people more qualified and educated on the subject than us have already pointed to this being terrorism and the facts that support that claim.
” shameful to say this but why are we sending troops to other countries to fight terrorism when we cannot even protect our own backyard.”
Yes, we should definately only do one or the other.
sarcasm off.
“Again, it doesn’t matter if the nutjob getting next to some serious weaponry is Muslim ”
wrong.
When little green men are the ones flying planes into your buildings.
Its the little green men that you have to pay attention to.
“just another symptom of a society going mad.”
Except theres just too many details crying radical islmaic sentiments for that to be that simple.
No one wants to hate Muslims. Nice try but that was pretty lame.
Its just that we should be paying attention to them and not infants and old ladys and according to Homeland security, white middle aged conservatives like me.
“And, BTW, before you start ragging on Obama, ”
Hey, for 8 years I listened to you guys complain about the way Bush wiped his butt.
Gimme a break.
Its all too obvious after that homeland security report and the last few incidents that this administration clearly without a doubt has lost its sense of priorities.
Soooooo…
I’ll rag on Obama if I want 🙂
lisab says: BananaRepublic,
if he planned it, then he is getting the death penalty.
being mentally ill is not sufficient to avoid the death penalty under military law.
he would have to be psychotic.
planning indicates capacity for reasoned thought … that means he is a dead man walking.
David says: Banana got two brain cells together long enough to babel:
“Kate sorry but the last I checked, America was multi-cultural. “Allah akbar” means praise the lord in arabic. (or close by the definition from what was reported on the news). That spells murder in English? 🙂 He is a murderer no doubt. No one has the right to kill but your red flag was a foreign language that’s translated to Praise the Lord? He could have been saying that knowing he was going to die.” Banana are you A COMPLETE F*CKING IDIOT?!? What the f*ck would YOU and your fellow dipsh*t libs be saying if the guy had said “Jesus is Lord” when he shot those people?!?!?!? You know what you’d be claiming – and RIGHTLY SO!!!!! YOU disingenuous F*CK!! A terrorist is a terrorist. A terrorist driven by his religion is a terrorist driven by his religion. No smoke & mirrors required.
and you also managed to garble out the following:
“…But what is really shocking is to see all the dim wit, clueless, ignorant buffoons that come out of their shells to educate the world about other cultures the way they understand it after this loathing fiasco.” I take it you claim that YOU, of course, are not a dim wit, not clueless, not ignorant and not a buffoon?! You’re WRONG on all of those counts.
This isn’t just a singular event of madness. This is a PATTERN that’s been established for OVER 30 YEARS!!!!!!! …and guess who it is that has been responsible for an overwhelming majority of radical Islamic Muslim terrorism?? That’s right – F*CKING RADICAL ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!! YOU IDIOT!
Jeez David.
Even though it wasnt me who said it I feel better as if it was me who said it.
BananaRepublic says: Micky. I agree with a lot that you have said, nonetheless, Dade pointed out no different from how I see it about society in general ready to cry terrorist when someone of a different religion or color is caught. Stereotyping. I only say this because of the poor muslim’s that work for the military that have done nothing will be subject to abuse for many years to come because of the idiot that lost it.
Micky – “Kamikazi pilots used to yell “Banzai!”, a war cry right before they crashed their planes into American ships. Its also used a cheer during a Sake toast.
The guy was an an English speaking American.”
Again, yes I agree with your “banzai” example but does that mean that if he was caught coming out of the mosque wearing his traditional prayer costume, we should starting running for cover because he is raised as an American (wearing that outfit should be so unlike him) and this should be a red flag too? There are lots of English speaking American that speak other languages apart from English. Should we be worried? All I am saying is that, stereotyping all Muslims and the language was plain wrong. The stereotyping made on this blog almost seems like there are 2 nationalities, Americans and Muslims..see how silly it sounds.
Micky, have your fair share to ragging Obama. It’s only fair. lol.
Again, in this country we have one or two mad gunman rampages a year.
Micky, you’re wrong.
If we’re going to profile Muslims as potential terrorists, let’s also profile white right-wing Chritian males like Timothy McVeigh, Scott Roeder, and James Van Brunn.
BananaRepublic says: David – thanks for exhibiting your ignorance as though your mom was a mule and you were raised by a trailer trash dad from hicktown.
David – ” Banana are you A COMPLETE F*CKING IDIOT?!? What the f*ck would YOU and your fellow dipsh*t libs be saying if the guy had said “Jesus is Lord” when he shot those people?!?!?!?
No you stupid ignorant f#@k. I am not a lib or a muslim. I am just not a rascist hill billy from the wild wild west like you. Even though more muslims have been involved in terrorist activities, does not give dumb fks like you the right to whine terrorist with baseless facts. I am referring to your fking whines before the news started unveiling that it could be terrorism based on evidence. Before that you had sh*t to proof but started whining like a little girl that all muslims have the tendency to be terrorists or close. It is like saying most white’s are serial killers based on statistics in this country you fcking retarded hillbilly!!!!!! lol
BananaRepublic says: Micky -“Jeez David.
Even though it wasnt me who said it I feel better as if it was me who said it.”
Micky. Truly seems like you are a sh*tbag. cowardly act of not being able to say it but were trying to be policitally correct in other words. what a hypocrite.
David says: 1) it isn’t racism
2) the “facts” aren’t baseless
3) i didn’t “whine” BEFORE evidence was being reported
4) i don’t whine like a little girl
5) way to notice a pattern when you say in your post “…more muslims have been involved in terrorist activities…”.
Most Americans are interested in the prevention of or stopping of bad things – including serial killing & islamic terrorism. And most Americans aren’t willing to let themselves be blinded by continuous P.C. cr*p that insidiously works to undermine our ability to protect ourselves from serial killers, child molesters or terrorists – be they anglican, catholic, episcopalian, hindu, buddhist, shinto, jewish, wiccan or muslim.
The facts are the facts; they must be taken into account. If you want to keep an eye on every white male in the USA based upon your information on serial killers, then knock yourself out. I say, “ya. ok. if that’s a ‘risk factor’ then take it into account”. And if being a muslim male between the ages of 17-40 is a risk factor for islamic terrorism, then….. that should be taken into account. If the shoe fits…
David says: Try this out for size, Banana:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/america_hater_in_qns_hails_hood_HvD7Z20qSwe9dp4obu8L7L
Gonna keep your blinders on some more??
BananaRepublic says: so which part of the “prevention or stopping bad things” is
David – “your fellow dipsh*t libs”. Isn’t is an act of racial profiling. I guess it is easy to get confuse between prevention and racism in America, right?
David says: Banana… sheesh…. “fellow” is not a race. “dipsh*t” is not a race. and, “libs” is not a race. THERE IS NO RACISM HERE. WTH is wrong with you?
Ken says: Banana the coward is back!!!
“Besides, you once again proved your depth of knowledge by backing up with “facts” as you called …”Taj”..lol.”
I have no idea what this babbling sentence means, can you try and rephrase it in English, please??
“I’d say you gave the Bush Administration 3 terms (Senior and Jr). So why don’t you shut up now and let the man do his job! ”
And for those 3 terms we had to listen to uneducated, completely clueless morons like yourself who cannot think for themselves. I’ll tell you what I’ll do though, I’ll shut up just as much as lefty imbeciles like you did for Bush’s 8 years, how’s that?
It’s called freedom of speech, so piss off.
“Once again, I wish someone with some credible experience on the field can share their thoughts.”
That rules you out. Yet you still spew your nonsense. By “someone with credible experience”, do you mean someone that agrees with you? From your previous posts, it would seem so.
“I guess it is easy to get confuse between prevention and racism in America, right?”
Throwing the racist card out!! Right out of the liberal playbook! What a shock……really.
Ken says: “And, BTW, before you start ragging on Obama, let’s make note of the multiple arrests and plot interruptions that have been occuring lately, now that we have an actual Attorney General in Eric Holder and not a stooge like Ashcroft/Gonzales/Mukasey.”
Oh, I don’t know about that Dade. Those “stooges” did pretty well in making arrests and interrupting plots. Here’s a list:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
Not to mention, the only reason the Obama adminsitration has been so successful is because of the Bush policies regarding surveillance that Obama chose to KEEP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/obama-patriot-act-surveil_n_295194.html
“WASHINGTON — The Obama administration promised Congress on Tuesday to negotiate stronger privacy protections for Americans under terrorism surveillance but insisted on retaining current authority to track suspects and obtain records.”
Not to mention, there is breaking news that the FBI knew that Hasan tried to make contact with Al Qaeda:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/09/abc-fbi-knew-hasan-tried-to-contact-al-qaeda/
“U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.”
I wouldn’t start polishing Holder’s trophy quiet yet.
“I only say this because of the poor muslim’s that work for the military that have done nothing will be subject to abuse for many years to come because of the idiot that lost it. ”
I could care less about that and more about protecting the thousads of innocents that could be effected one day by another one of these radical nutjobs.
I have to live with this administration which in their homeland secrity report made me out to be a terrorist because I excercise my first amendent rights and I’ll be just fine.
Are you seriously saying that we should ease up on these guys becuse we dont want to hurt anyones feelings ?
WTF is wrong with you ?
Thats why this ended up happening in the first place !
“Again, yes I agree with your “banzai” example but does that mean that if he was caught coming out of the mosque wearing his traditional prayer costume, we should starting running for cover because he is raised as an American (wearing that outfit should be so unlike him) and this should be a red flag too?”
How far up your a$$ did you have to reach to pull that one out ?
I never said anything about his garb, did I ?
Nice try how by obfuscating to the costume you try to isolate this as one single red flag. There were many many red flags buddy and if you’re too ignorant by to know what the list is then your obviously trying to minimize and dismiss what is plain for us with brains to see.
Tell you what.
We should start running for cover when a guy comes running out with two pistols and starts screaming Alah Akbar !
Fair enough ?
You try to make it sound as if this cry of his was part of his everyday vocabulary.
maybe if he was in prayer, at a celebration of so0me sort, yeah, then I could see it.
But get real dude.
It was the battle cry every terrorist uses before hes off to get his 70 some odd virgins.
Its not the language that anyone is talking about.
No matter what the language be it Japanese or whatever, its the phrase and what it means during the commision of an act.
Get it ?
“Micky. Truly seems like you are a sh*tbag. cowardly act of not being able to say it but were trying to be policitally correct in other words. what a hypocrite.”
I get chewed out all the time for my verbally less than polite attacks on people brother. Just trying to be nicer than usual.
No hypocrisy here as I did come out and express my sentiments, didnt I ?
Hows this ?
Since I did try to act with some composure but in response got called a cowardly sh*tbag I’ll invite you to go f*ck yourself since you seem pretty good at doing that.
These two statements are the perfect example;
“I guess it is easy to get confuse between prevention and racism in America, right?”
“Once again, I wish someone with some credible experience on the field can share their thoughts.”
Maybe then you should just stfu and beat it because you’re obviously clueless enough to think that worshiping Islam or being a Muslim is a race.
You make me sick.
Instead of worrying about what we need to do in order to prevent these things from happening you and your idiot ilk are more concerned with how we approach anything so as not to ruffle any feathers.
Well you know what ?
Thats why this happened. Because of idiots like yourself this guy was allowed to run around and post online how great suicide bombings were, who deserved them, speak out in public functions against his country, repeatedly make statements that the military and the wars were of an unjust nature and on and on and you guys just let it slide because you didnt want to be guilty of actually having the fckng common sense to see what was going down in front of your own eyes.
I profile people with the interest of protecting my country.
You guys profile the man in the interest of covering your a$$ so you can look oh so fckng righteous.
If you’re so worried about the other Muslims in our military getting some residual flak because of what this guy did then maybe you should tell the Muslim community to start stepping up to the plate like they mean it and start not only verbally condeming these acts but actually going out and doing something about it.
If a Christin had done this in the name of some warped version of Christianity the outcry from the Christian community here in America would be heard loud and clear.
Muslims, not so much.
from rush: now that hasan is out of his coma, maybe we should waterboard him to get more information. i’m down with that.
That would be a wet nurse.
I was thinking more along the line of holding back his pain meds.
apparently hasan the terrorist was trying to reach out to AQ, this from the cia. hey but thats ok… this wasn’t terrorism right?
Marsha says: Sounds to me like the PC Patrol has now infiltrated our military in a now very public way. Those of you who think this wasn’t terrorism because it wasn’t organized…well hell, HR organized it! He was gradually becoming more and more radicalized. He said goodbye to people and gave away his stuff. He yelled the terrorist cheer of “ALLAHU AKBAR”. That’s not just a “Have a happy day” religious comment.
I’m surprised at your stance on this Ken. I’m not surprised at your’s Dade. 😛
Doesn’t matter what Hasan was trying to do. Reach out to al Qaeda? Whatever!
He is deranged. What if he had shouted “Oreo cookies for everyone!” before he opened fire? He’d have been acknowledged as a lunatic. Who cares what he said?
Water-boarding and withholding pain meds? Now THOSE are Christian values!
Marsha, your ignorance would be offensive to anyone who hadn’t seen your previous commentary.
Fortunately, I’m inured to it.
You reach whole new heights of ignorance though, with this statement:
He yelled the terrorist cheer of “ALLAHU AKBAR”. That’s not just a “Have a happy day” religious comment.”
The meaning of the phrase is “God is Great!” Nothing at all to do with terrorism. But you’re so f*cking ignorant you can’t distinguish.
Get an education, for God’s sake!
Marsha says: You’re very testy today Dade. How about if YOU get an education k?
Mohammed Atta (remember him?) told all would-be terrorists in his “Terrorism 4 Dummies” manual to yell out “ALLAH AKBAR” right before they strike because it puts “fear into the heart of the infidel”. Hasan did that through multiple eye-witness accounts including the one she linked up above. As more and more information comes to light we are starting to see Data points that would not normally be there if he were just a normal crazy American now would we? But I understand that you’ve evolved above all of us lowly conservatives, so these things are just useless fodder right? Whatever.
Marsha says: BTW Dade. If you are personalizing this in anyway, don’t. It’s not about your wife. She seems lovely. I saw her photos on your blog some time ago. I have a dear muslim friend myself. I am Jewish. I am not painting in broad strokes all muslims so don’t go there. I am talking about THIS muslim.
“Water-boarding and withholding pain meds? Now THOSE are Christian values!”
Hmm…
I think God wouldnt mind if it saved a few thousand lives.
Sure as hell is a lot better remedy than doing everything you can to cover up the truth so everyone else can die for the sake of you having the face you want.
Besides that, I never did apply the scripture to my life in its exact context or any perception thereof.
Its religious fanatcism that made this guy in the first place
“The meaning of the phrase is “God is Great!” Nothing at all to do with terrorism. But you’re so f*cking ignorant you can’t distinguish.”
I might add that you’re so ignorant that you dont understand that by screaming “Allah Akbar” right before murder is a clear indication to even the dumbest schmuck that he was making a testament of murder to his God.
Screaming “Oreo cookies for everyone” would more than likely mean that he was not a radical Islamist, but the Cookie Monster instead
The last words out of his mouth before certain death are to be a testimonial to Allah.
Fortunately he didnt get his wish. Now we can hold his pain meds so the bastard terrorist will tell what else was going on in his pathetic life that could hurt Americans.
If screaming “God is great” has nothing to do with terrorism then why is it that all terrorist use this call right before their acts ?
It s simple.
The warped version of Islam that terrorism is constructed upon demands it.
Dade said: By “terrorist,” I assume you mean “Muslim.”
Dade – bite me. Don’t assume you know anything about me. Don’t pretend you can see into my thoughts and divine a sinister motive. It is you and your ilk who are ugly – very ugly.
Micky,
Did Timothy McVeigh scream “God is great” and he committed his act of terrorism? I’m just trying to understand what you meant when you asked: “why is it that all terrorist use this call right before their acts ?”
The statement “God is great” is used by all Muslims, terrorists and non-terrorists. It’s bigger than terrorism.
Let’s go back to the incident that happened on Christmas Day, 1984. A group of anti-abortion activists bombed a women’s health clinic in Pensacola, Florida. When they were arrested they stated that their motive had been to “give Jesus a birthday present.”
Using your logic, then, wouldn’t that mean that the wish to “give Jesus a birthday present” is consistent with terrorism?
Kris said: “It is you and your ilk who are ugly – very ugly.”
What, Kris, is my ilk? Do tell!
“The statement “God is great” is used by all Muslims, terrorists and non-terrorists. It’s bigger than terrorism.
Look, I’m not going to get into a little semantic pi$$ing contest with you if you dont have the common sense to know why the man was saying what he said as he blew everyone away.
The fact of the matter wether you like it or not is that he commited this in typical terrorist protocol by yelling out “Allah Akbar” right before he commited the act as all terrorist do.
He didnt start crying about all the injustices, or how bad the Army had been to him or anything else that was upsetting him.
Given all the info thats come out recently anyone who doesnt see this for what it is quite frankly is a freeking idiot.
Hes already been linked to Al Queda by E mails confiscated from his computer so give it a rest already, would ja ?
“Using your logic, then, wouldn’t that mean that the wish to “give Jesus a birthday present” is consistent with terrorism?”
I just love the logic that goes to determining my logic…
priceless, nice try.
“Using your logic, then, wouldn’t that mean that the wish to “give Jesus a birthday present” is consistent with terrorism?”
Huh ?
Yeah, that qualifies as terrorism, so what ? It just so happens Muslim radicals do cry “Allah Akbar” before they commit acts if terror.
Muslims do it for their God and those freaks did it for theirs.
Whats your point ?
By your logic it seems that you think he just wanted everyone to know he was a Muslim before he killed them ? That he at least owed them that much ?
I dont know, I wont pretend to know your thought process like you do mine as its already pretty hard to figure out so help me out would you ?
What do you think his motive behind screaming “Allah Akbar was ” right before he sent off over a hundred rounds ?
He did it just the way any Muslim terrorist would of thereby making it clear what he was.
What dont you understand about that ?
Has your desire to dismiss this guy into something hes not clouded your judgement so bad that you cant see things for what they are ? Thats the kind of crap that let this sht happen in the first place
sheesh
Here’s the point, Micky:
It doesn’t matter what he said. He is deranged. He was not carrying out a mission for al Qaeda. He was doing his own thing.
If he is a terrorist, he’s a good ol’ plain American terrorist. He did it in the classic American fashion: load for bear, find a big group of unarmed people, start shooting.
Muslim? Christian? Who the f*ck cares?
“It doesn’t matter what he said. He is deranged. He was not carrying out a mission for al Qaeda. He was doing his own thing.”
You really dont know this, do you ?
Hes deranged because of a diseased religion that eminated from Islam
One does not have to be aligned with al Queda to use this phrase or to be a terrorist acting in accordance with Al Queda. Theres many cells that have allegiance to al Queda that have never spoken to anyone connected.
Every Muslim terrorist regardless of his affiliation uses the phrase fro Hamas to hezzbollah and across the board.
But, he was chating with Al Queda, we now know.
I care because it was a Muslim. Its Muslims that have been attacking us.
Meaning there could be more of them but morons on the left will never know because they say it shouldnt matter.
lisab says: “He is deranged” Dade
what makes you think he is deranged? perhaps he just wanted to kill american soldiers.
Lisab,
Your statement is (unintentionally) hilarious, if you like your humor black as coffee. I’ll leave it to you to figure out why.
Micky,
You said: “Its Muslims that have been attacking us.”
It is also Christians attacking us, as happened in Colorado Springs on December 11, 2007.
It is also lonely teenagers, as happened in Jefferson County, Colorado on April 20, 1999.
It is also racists, as happened on February 26, 2009, in Miramar Beach, Florida.
But we’re talking past each other at this point. No point in continuing this thread.
lisab says: Dade,
you and many dems assume that only a deranged person would kill, and thus keep saying things like “hasan snapped”.
however, people kill for many reasons.
it is a very bad mistake to assume that only a deranged person would want to kill you, or that only someone you have offended will kill you. two men tried to force me into a car at knife point. i got away, but i never thought they were crazy.
they just wanted to hurt me.
Lisab,
I can’t speak to the incident in your past. At this point, it seems that we have arrived at a different understanding of the meaning of the word “deranged.”
No point in continuing, methinks.
(But I’m glad you got away safe.)
lisab says: have you considered that there is a difference between
being deranged
and being a killer?
i assure you there are many who would kill you or your family or 13 soldiers and they are not any more deranged than you.
they just don’t care.
lisab says: the reason this is an important distinction is that deranged people are not responsible for what they do.
i have worked with the mentally ill for several years.
the mentally ill have little or no choice in what they do. if they hurt someone — usually themselves — it is because they cannot help it.
i very much doubt hasan falls in that category. i think he believes in salafi-ism, (the taliban’s religious beliefs), and chose to go to the base to kill as many soldiers as he could.
Dade;
“It is also Christians attacking us, as happened in Colorado Springs on December 11, 2007.”
That doesnt address the fact that we have to be willing to identify an enemy for what it is.
When somepne cries “Allah Akbar” right before they commit a terrorist act you should take that as an indication as to where your threat is coming from thereby enabling you to focus attentions where they are needed so it doesnt happe again.
In this case it wouldnt be the Christian community we focus on but instead the Muslims.
Whats so damn hard about that for you to understand ?
You cant understand it because your damn PC doctrine doesnt allow you to discriminate between anything, does it ?
Dade;
“If he is a terrorist, he’s a good ol’ plain American terrorist. He did it in the classic American fashion: ”
Nope, you’re wrong, again.
This was actually done in the fashion of a Muslim who was an American.
By yelling out Muslim praises to his God makes it more a middle eastern fashion rather than American for the simple fact that most Americans are Christians, not Muslims.
If he flew an airplane into a ship and cried “Banzai” it would be Japanese fashion terrorism.
American or not. This guys motivation was not one that an American would have.
His reasons were not anything similar to why Americans reject the war. His rejections to the war were because he did not feel that as a Muslim he should be firing on another Muslim. Which is stupid because as a psychiatrist he’d probably never be in that position.
His protest and motivation was one of a Muslim, and not an American.
Micky said: “His protest and motivation was one of a Muslim, and not an American.”
This statement is absurd on its face. Hasan was an American. Therefore his protest and his motivations (whatever they were) were American.
Dade:
“This statement is absurd on its face. Hasan was an American. Therefore his protest and his motivations (whatever they were) were American.”
No, its you whos absurd.
Hasan was no doubt a Muslim before he was an American.
His protests were based on him being a Muslim not wanting fight another Muslim.
He condoned the suicide bombings of Americans.
He killed 13 Americans.
His religion came first.
He rejected the war based on his religious convictions.
Not his patriotism.
“(whatever they were)”
Is whats absurd on its face.
Get a clue for crying out loud and stop this ridiculous disgusting attempt at dismissing radical Islam when its plain as day.
His motives have been made more than clear in the last few days.
Kris is absolutely right.
“It is you and your ilk who are ugly – very ugly ” because the type of dismissal you’re portraying is exactly what got these people killed.
You and your partys asinine refusal to call a spade a spade is what allowed this sht to slip thru the cracks.
If these morons didnt worry so much much about being labeled as bigots or whatever for pointing out whats been an obvious threat for the longest time this crap never would of happened.
Take your stupid a$$ rules of engagement somewhere else where people dont mind getting killed over santized unrealistic speech
“Hasan was no doubt a Muslim before he was an American.”
A meaningless statement.
Oh, and one more thing, Micky… I haven’t called you an idiot, but you have called me an idiot.
So, if we’re going to go to that level: Fck off.
David says: Dade, I’ve heard reports that Hasan SAID that he was a Muslim FIRST and an American second. I’ll see if I can find a link…
BTW, Micky only identified you as an “idiot” because he’s calling a spade a spade – just like he said he wishes you would; and the government would; and the military would; and the politicians would. He identified you as an idiot and therefore labeled you as such.
Despite an underlying intelligence, YOU on the other hand have put on PC blinders and therefore cannot argue the points or facts clearly, and rather simply tell micky to “Fck off”. That is a typical weak attack. You just want him to “shut up” and “be quiet” and “go away” because you can’t support your unfortunate misguided blindness in a logical way.
Micky is identifying an idiotic position; you just don’t want to hear it.
Oh bullsht Dade !
It was no more meaningless than you saying;
“Therefore his protest and his motivations (whatever they were) were American.”
Is being an American the motivation behind anyones spirituality ?
Is being an american the motivation to kill other Americans ?
It may not be a meaningless statement but it sure is stupid.
Stop your games already by attacking the validity of the statement.
It goes right to countering your statement that he was an American first.
Plain and simple Dade, When your argument is idiotic what does that make you ?
You obviously think everyone else is an idiot when you try and pass of this crap that Hasan was just an average American nut.
His citizenship is not what motivated him to do this.
He stated himself that what the Army was asking of him went against his religious beliefs. It was those beliefs that launched this attack, Muslim beliefs, not American ones.
Go ahead, play your little game if it makes you feel better and ignore all the hard facts that point to this being radical islamic terrorism.
But I’ll still stand behind what Kris said and how I feel.
You guys and your bullsht PC sterilized versions of everything is whats getting people killed.
Ft. Hood is the perfect example.
Here ya go Dade.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/06/national/main5553466.shtml
“Dr. Val Finnell was a classmate of Hasan’s at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. Both attended a master’s in public health program in 2007 and 2008.
Finnell says he got to know Hasan in an environmental health class. At the end of the class, students gave presentations. Finnell says other classmates wrote on subjects such as dry cleaning chemicals and mold in homes, but Hasan’s topic was whether the war against terror was “a war against Islam.” Finnell described Hasan as a “vociferous opponent” of the terror war.
Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was “a Muslim first and an American second.”
Here ya go Dade.
The link wont post due to moderation, maybe it’ll pop up later.
CBS news;
“Dr. Val Finnell was a classmate of Hasan’s at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. Both attended a master’s in public health program in 2007 and 2008.
Finnell says he got to know Hasan in an environmental health class. At the end of the class, students gave presentations. Finnell says other classmates wrote on subjects such as dry cleaning chemicals and mold in homes, but Hasan’s topic was whether the war against terror was “a war against Islam.” Finnell described Hasan as a “vociferous opponent” of the terror war.
Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was “a Muslim first and an American second.”
David says: Dade, just a note regarding “Americans”. I don’t mean to jump on the ‘love-fest’ bandwagon here but I just re-read my post and it seems to come across a bit harsh. We are all Americans here (I presume). Although I feel that your position is unsupportable – too steeped in “trying to be nice” or “giving too much of a benefit of a doubt”, I don’t mean to say that you ARE an idiot. Sorry about that….
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