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did you know that our government, under The One’s administration, classifies a pro-life person, or a ‘states rights’ advocate, or one who is a supporter of enforcing the immigration laws, a right wing extremist? according to this report, it’s stunningly true.
this report was issued on April 7th and is a sweeping indictment of conservatives. period. in it, dhs says the recent ‘economic downturn’ and the ‘general state of the economy’ is to blame for stoking ‘rightwing extremism.’ because of the timing, is this a reference to the tea party movement that the left has worked very hard to marginalize and in some cases radicalize? yes, but it’s also more then that.
here are a few excerpts and the emphasis is mine:
“Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.” page 2
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“Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment tool. Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment. From the 2008 election timeframe to the present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers.” page 3
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“Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point,
and recruiting tool. Debates over appropriate immigration levels and enforcement policy generally fall within the realm of protected political speech under the First Amendment, but in some cases, anti-immigration or strident pro-enforcement fervor has been directed against specific groups and has the potential to turn violent.” page 5
please note that dhs doesn’t provide any specifics whatsoever in this report. no data, no real threats, no evidence that extremism on the right has increased. they even use timothy mcveigh to bash returning military vets, making them all sound like loose canons in an attempt to fearmonger, bringing further restrictions on handgun laws.
dhs asserts it’s not a politicized document and that it had done reports on ‘leftwing extremism’ in the past – like on animal rights and environment terrorist types (ALF, ELF). yet now it’s smearing half of the country or more as kooks and extremists for criticizing the government’s handling of the economy and other policy agenda items yet to come.
make no mistake, this is soft tyranny; a orchestrated campaign against conservatism and opponents of barack obama and his radical agenda for the country. never in the history of our republic have we seen such an attempt by the government to identify and classify the opposition party as violent and hatefilled extremists.
the report is long, but go read it for yourself.
i am staunchly pro-life. i believe in the 2nd amendment. i want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secure. i believe in a strong national defense. it is my birthright from the founders to have liberty and pursue happiness. my right to dissent and protest peacefully is protected by the Constitution, so consider me part of the anti-obama government, pro-freedom and liberty crowd.
I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.
James says: We saw your right wing extremism full force during the campaign with your extreme right-wing rhetoric on display at McCain rallies by yelling “kill him” about President Obama — and others even calling him a “terrorist.” We seen the endless challenges about his birth certificate. We see the extreme hate language on right wing blogs.
Those of you who are “hate-oriented,” “mainly antigovernment,” or those dedicated to a “single issue” — are a legitimate threat that law enforcement must deal with. You undermine our government by your hate speech.
Though you have stopped short for calls of violence, is that next?
This post says there is no data supporting growth in hate groups, well here is a link saying they have grown 54% since 2000: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS222404+26-Feb-2009+PRN20090226
By your very shrieking of this report, you indict yourselves. Yes you are being watched.
PenniePan says: The word “conservatives” never appears in the report. Seems to me you all are over reaching here. I just finished reading the report and it carefully delineates that the subject of its report is “rightwing extremists,” “domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups,” “terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks,” “white supremacists,” and similar very real threats described in similar language.
Before Barack was even sworn in we had skinheads arrested for an assasination plot. If you are mainstream conservative you have nothing to worry about it seems to me. When however you call for revolution and resistance then you’re going to have a problem.
Inside of ranting about this you should be glad that finally our government is looking at this more intently with the goal of keeping us all safe.
The BHO administration would consider the founding fathers to be RW extremists. I wish I could say I’m surprised by this, but in using this form of intimidation, BHO follows a pattern of other left-wing leaders like Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, and Kim Il-sung in demonizing those who would call into question their desire for a strong state-controlled centralized gov’t and economy where all property is held in common, the gov’t controls the means of production, and it dictates to its citizens how to live their daily lives. That his followers mindlessly fall right in line in agreeing with this report is an indication of how the uneducated would willingly support liberal ideology which history has shown to time and time again lead countries into slavery and bondage.
“We saw your right wing extremism full force during the campaign with your extreme right-wing rhetoric on display at McCain rallies by yelling “kill him” about President Obama — and others even calling him a “terrorist.”
Sorry James, that was debunked long ago by the Secret Service agents that were present, nice try.
“We seen the endless challenges about his birth certificate.”
I didn’t realize that wanting to see someones birth certificate was considered hate, but I guess if you go by this report it is. What will be next? Will disliking Michelle’s outfits be considered hate?
“Those of you who are “hate-oriented,” “mainly antigovernment,” or those dedicated to a “single issue” — are a legitimate threat that law enforcement must deal with.”
Interesting, the multiple rallies across the U.S. and the world that featured signs advocating Bush’s murder/execution didn’t result in a report such as this, did it?
“You undermine our government by your hate speech.”
Keep drinking that kool aid, james. Anyone who disagrees with Obama’s policies are dangerous, huh?
“Though you have stopped short for calls of violence, is that next?”
No, we’re not the left. We don’t advocate violence like you do.
So you’re link is to a report from 2000? According to this report the rise was due to the “first African American President”, so why have they been increasing since 2000, wasn’t Bush president. Your response is gibberish James, it’s pulled directly off the Kos website talking points. You should be ashamed.
I especially liked the way the report warned of the veterans returning from war. More of the left’s “We support the troops” on display. They protest them when they are at war, they contemplated making them pay for their own health care, now they are going to be watched after returning home, because they might be terrorists. Priceless. The president of the American Legion wrote a scathing letter to the AG about it, if you get a chance take a look at it.
This entire report looks like it was put together by a 10th grader for a homework assignment. It didn’t cite a single case.
“Yes you are being watched.”
Ah, I see. I thought the government watching “anti war” groups was considered “fascist” or reeked of Hitler’s Germany. Apparently you have no problem when you think they are watching conservatives. Hypocrite.
Remember, these idiots are the ones that had NO problem with Chavez seizing media outlets in their beloved Venezuela and with him imprisoning and/or killing citizens who would call into question his policies.
micky says: Be careful everyone.
My own little conspiracy theory is that this coming out just in time for the tea parties is that its designed for us to carry the anger over this to the parties with us.
First of all as I mentioned, its very conspicuous in the way that it was timed to come out right before the first time in a long time republicans/conservatives have hit the streets in protest. They would love more than anything for our protest to get ugly so that it will be a reference point to use later for whatever expedient purposes to go forward with a bunch of constraining measures.
The second part of what I suspect is that its also designed to create a good level of paranoia among liberals so that we’ll see this frenzy of over reactions to anything and everything we do.
I’m trying to reel myself in on this one and not get too carried away but the more I think about it the more this stinks of the type of methods “The one” has used in his campaign where the whole thing was driven on emotion and very little substance. Just like this statement has no real fact or verification of any kind behind it yet if anything it sure drives a hell of a lot of emotion. It seems its designed to create a perfect setting for anarchy where you have one group looking over their shoulders constantly in fear and another group seething with anger ready to lash out at anyone for anything, much like the way I feel now. I’ve never been so pi$$ed at our government in my life.
“The economic downturn and the election of the first
African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and
recruitment.”
Really, why are these two issues lumped in together ?
Almost everyone is upset over the economic situation yet it seems as if racism and genuine fear for our futures are to lumped together in the same category that would draw fanatics.
Racist will focus on Obamas color no matter what shape our economy is in but it seems that the combination of being upset about both simultaneously is already present in all of us if we are upset over the economy alone ?
It makes about as much sense as saying;
” The situation in the middle east and the election of the first
African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and
recruitment.”
“The problems with our borders and the election of the first
African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and
recruitment.”
As a result of this rag that I wouldn’t wipe someone else’s butt with we’ll probably see a bunch of paranoid over reactions to tea parties or those on the right in general where a bunch of unnecessary and intimidating precautions get put in place or a bunch of left wing extremists go to our parties thinking they’d better get down there to contain the inevitable bloody riots that will ensue. It wouldn’t surprise me to see some lunatic mayor or governor whos read this report jump the gun and send swat teams in full riot gear down to the Mayberry RFD tea party and keep their eyes peeled on the Aunt Bee and Goober types who are secretly plotting to blow up the capital.
Call me crazy, I don’t care. This is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen come out of any government office in my life to the point where I feel like were all going to be issued arm bands any day now and thrown into some internment camp until “The one” has decided its safe to let us out.
“If you are mainstream conservative you have nothing to worry about it seems to me. When however you call for revolution and resistance then you’re going to have a problem.”
Oh I see. Only mainstream conservatives are the ones who would never dream of exercising their rights ?
Were going to have a problem for exercising out rights ?
Great, as long as theres no resistance there wont be any problems ?
James says: “So you’re link is to a report from 2000? According to this report the rise was due to the “first African American President”, so why have they been increasing since 2000, wasn’t Bush president. Your response is gibberish James, it’s pulled directly off the Kos website talking points. You should be ashamed.”
Ken maybe you are the one who should not drink koolaid and use talking points. The link I provided which you obviously did not read or even look at before you spouted off is current from a bit over a month ago. The study was done recently. It is not 9 years old.
Do you do this with everyone who challenges you? Occasionally, some of us may be right.
James says: “That his followers mindlessly fall right in line in agreeing with this report is an indication of how the uneducated would willingly support liberal ideology which history has shown to time and time again lead countries into slavery and bondage.”
Ted you are really reaching here. There is supportive evidence for this report. See the link above. Not everyone who voted for Obama is mindless just because we are progressive. Not all of us disagree with his thinking and direction. You may disagree vehemently but that doesn’t make me a coward, or a jerk, or a subversive or any of those things. I am law abiding. I pay my taxes. I have a family that is thriving. I am educated and go to church. I served in the military and was honorably discharged. I consider myself a patriot.
Micky, I do agree the timing of this report coming out was perfect, even though they keep saying this was started last year. And the president made a speech (again..sigh) this morning, bringing some families out on stage and saying he was going to help them with their economic problems, again timed to divert attention, I’m sure. Of course the only people seeing the tea parties are watching Fox, since I’m sure no other Obama station is carrying reports about them. The Left has already weighed the whole tea party idea and found them wanting. I also read some blogs yesterday that were reporting about infiltrations by the Left going on today, hoping to catch us conservatives in some demeaning behavior to be caught on tape and broadcast across the nation…that would be their coverage of it.
micky says: Yea Kathy, there was nothing stopping them from holding off a few more days.
Most of the pre requisites to matching the profiles they list in this report are exactly the issues people are protesting today. This sh*t stinks to high heaven and I am really really pi$ed over this.
Never in my life have I seen such a blataent hit job come from the fed that uses ou troops as a mechanism to convey this crap like they did when they portrayed them all as a bunch of victims coming home with post traumatic stress disorders who will take a look around as they get off the plane and snap.
Obama and his speech can go to hell. I dont see that spineless wonder addressing any of the concerns out there in the last couple days as a result of this report.
When it comes to him explaining where the hell Napolitanos head was at for putting this out hes been MIA all the way.
I said yesterday that this report is damn good way to incite some jerk to do something stupid so it will look like it was one of us.
The whole report is designed to incite a violent reaction and at the same be the document that says “We told ya so ”
Its sick.
Yea, lets see how fair CNN, MSNBC is with their coverage later. Are they going to cherry pick the one or two morons who made us look bad and run with that or are they going to promote the positive message the tea parties were meant to send and support what not only conservatives are trying to say.
>>James said: There is supportive evidence for this report.
The Southern Poverty Law Center putting out a non-slanted report?? Not in this lifetime. I know the guy who’s the attorney for them in my area and he’s as partisian as one can get. The report makes no effort to define the parameters of what they consider to be “hate speech” or “hate groups.” MI’m confident that it’s rather broad and inclusive of things normal people would not consider to be hate speech. Libs tend to do that to try and paint an issue as being larger in scope than it really is, especially if they are doing it to try and strengthen themselves by attempting to tie their opposition to these groups for political purposes.
The point of your post was to try and paint mainstream conservatives, like myself and those here, as extremists and connect them to the KKK, neo-nazis, etc., and/or to try to make a connection between being opposed to liberal ideology and BHO’s race, and/or anything else along that line, that’s just not ever going to work except among your comrades who are predisposed to believe it anyway. You sounded like a good little German.
And your list of what you are isn’t relevant. In fact, if someone tells me they were in the military and are now a liberal, they might as well tell me they’re a Christian who robs banks. It’s a complete non sequitur either way.
“When it comes to him explaining where the hell Napolitanos head was at for putting this out hes been MIA all the way.”
Ahhh…that’s probably because it was his idea to begin with
BTW I just heard on Fox that the White House was on lockdown today because someone was throwing tea bags across the fence. I guess they got scared about it.
And Chris Matthews is talking about the DHS report with some guests.
Pat says: “When it comes to him explaining where the hell Napolitanos head was at for putting this out hes been MIA all the way”
Uh, Mr. Really, Really Pi$$ed… Napolitano happens to be Janet Napolitano, a woman.
Marcus says: “First of all as I mentioned, its very conspicuous in the way that it was timed to come out right before the first time in a long time republicans/conservatives have hit the streets in protest. They would love more than anything for our protest to get ugly so that it will be a reference point to use later for whatever expedient purposes to go forward with a bunch of constraining measures.”
Wow! Now that’s hot and steaming not too mention very chilling.
True protests, like the civil rights marches, women’s rights, and the Boston Tea Party were in response to oppression and injustice. Today’s tea parties, which were much smaller then Faux News is reporting, are more like childish tantrums in response to the suggestion that the privileged class must take responsibility and bear their fair share of the burden.
The real tragedy of this teabagging is the attempt to compare and emulate it to an important historical event that demonstrated both patriotism and courage. In contrast, this event, which will not prove to have any historical significance, has demonstrated stupidity, arrogance, and a complete lack of understanding of the principles upon which this country was founded.
The Boston patriots were protesting a complete disregard for their plight by the ruling class of Britain and the insult added to injury of taxation without representation. The ruling class here has ignored the plight of the average American for years, while enjoying a disproportionate amount of the wealth and a mere token share of the taxes.
The tea parties held today are more akin to King George’s complete bewilderment about the decsion of the American colonies to break with Britain. Like King George, the teabaggers cannot comprehend why they and their policies of exclusion and oppression have been thoroughly rejected.
Is there a relation between the teabaggers and the Homeland Security report? Only if you are a teabagging extremist.
BTW, conspiracy theorists really are quite amusing. I bet you don’t believe the moon landing really happened either right?
Speaking of conspiracy theories, this was my favorite:
>>”The ruling class here has ignored the plight of the average American for years, while enjoying a disproportionate amount of the wealth and a mere token share of the taxes.”
Talk about beating a dead talking point to death…. And the “Faux News” spelling, so original.
If only the post had a touch more seething anger coupled with a reference to the “corporate media,” it might have ranked higher. As it stands, it’s around a 3; less than average. I’ve read better incoherant ramblings at DKos and Puffington Host.
Honestly, these dimwits have to be bots. Anybody could have C&P’d that non-sense from the DNC website.
Marcus says: Ted you can say whatever but I’ve yet to see an overhead shot of the “thousands” out protesting. You know why? They weren’t there. This was no Million march or even 100,000 combined. If it were Faux would show it.
Obviously you guys are not receptive to discussion. CYA A$$wipes.
micky says: “Ahhh…that’s probably because it was his idea to begin with”
Yea, you’re right, sometimes I get ahead of myself. That occured to me a couple minutes after I submitted that comment. Sometimes I forget not to put anything past this schmuck.hah !
The White House is scared of flying tea bags ?
I’d love to follow thru on Obama with the urban dictionarys description of “teabagging”. That’ll give em something to be scared of. Shit, what am I saying ? Mr. meterosexual closet queer might like it.
(Hate speech accusation coming in 1…2…3…)
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Pat;
“Uh, Mr. Really, Really Pi$$ed… Napolitano happens to be Janet Napolitano, a woman.”
Pat, I’ve seen her picture with that skunk on her head but God bless you man, leave it up to a lib to focus on irrelevance.
By the way, the “HE” I was refering to was the president, did the context not reveal that to you as the whole paragraph and pretense was addressing Obamas actions ?
Now that I think about it, she does look a little butch.
Zippy says: You all act like this is some national plan to load all conservatives on a train to a camp somewhere.
Instead of fearmongering and inciting, why don’t you people actually read the report. It logically asserts that the election of a black President, combined with an economic slump, may drive people towards greater radicalization.
It compares thoday’s climate with the ’90s, when a slump also triggered a right-wing response (the militia movement). It justifies itself by saying that greater enforcement and plot disruption in the ’90s is actually what helped cause that movement to fade away.
Read things other then right-wing hater blogs. Jeez.
micky says: “True protests, like the civil rights marches, women’s rights, and the Boston Tea Party were in response to oppression and injustice. Today’s tea parties, which were much smaller then Faux News is reporting, are more like childish tantrums in response to the suggestion that the privileged class must take responsibility and bear their fair share of the burden. ”
Sounds to me like you’re totally ignorant to the progressive taxation that directs that “priveleged class” to pay almost 90% of the countrys taxes.
I’ll assume that level of ignorance also feeds the mindset that figures anyone making more than they need should give it up to those that wont supply their own needs.
I also see that you are the authority on what is and is not a “true protest” and that the taxation this will burden our kids and more than likely grandkids also is not an injustice ? You fit right into the liberal doctrine that dictatates the free speech coming from the left is to be considered more valid and worthy than that of the right, or any opposing viewpoint. You sound like those loons like the kind at Columbia that invite free speech yet run that speech off the stage when its contrary or conflicts with your expectations, thats where the real kids that throw tantrums are that you say is taking place within our protest.
Yea, that reminds me, kids ? tantrums ? if I’m correct that seems to be the forte` of the left without a doubt as I can remember hundreds of protests coming from the left that have subjected innocent people to having blood tossed on them, traffic blocked, services (public and church) disrupted,buildings blown up,old ladys attacked, commit violenece against law enforcement and on and on and on…
So please, spare me the “childish tantrums ” analogies before you take a look at your own group of misfits actions over the decades.
“The Boston patriots were protesting a complete disregard for their plight by the ruling class of Britain and the insult added to injury of taxation without representation.”
American patriots are protesting a complete disregard for them and their childrens plight by the rulings of an idealistic marxist whos taxation does not represent their vision of what the constitution guarantees them.
The constitution does not guarantee you the right to another mans property so you may succeed in your pursuits but only the opportunity to pursue those equalities at your own will.
We are being represented as a collective that is responsible for paying for others failures instead of being represented as individuals in charge of their own future.
You fail to see this in your idealistic vision that its somehoew the responsibilty of others, call them the ‘elite” to provide entitlement to those who think its the governments job to make up for their shortcomins at the cost of anyone who fares better than them.
micky says: “Instead of fearmongering and inciting, why don’t you people actually read the report. It logically asserts that the election of a black President, combined with an economic slump, may drive people towards greater radicalization. ”
Logically ?
What’s logical about an economic slump being tied to racism ?
Please, I’d love to know how this makes any sense in that any color president could be in office while these effects of the economy would still have people in an uproar.
So, only racist who are upset about the economy are the ones who might do something stupid ?
Really?, ” WE ” are inciting and mongering fear ? And you tell us to read the report ?
This report is the epitome of fear mongering like I’ve never seen in my life in that it paints a whole arena of political thought that is prevalent amongst almost half if not more of the population of the country of violent capabilities.
If anything its rags like this that create paranoia and fear by telling the whole country 2 days before the first major conservative (some liberals and ind.) protest in ages to beware of the exact kind of people who carry the profile the report mentions as anyone from Mainstreet USA.
If YOU READ the report you will see that with its descriptions its vague by being all encomppasing of almost every demographic there is on the right.
“It compares thoday’s climate with the ’90s, when a slump also triggered a right-wing response (the militia movement). It justifies itself by saying that greater enforcement and plot disruption in the ’90s is actually what helped cause that movement to fade away.”
Gee, I guess having a conservative being elected in 2001, 911 bringing the whole country together in a non partisan environment along with a recovered economy after that disaster had nothing to do with it ?
Tell me, what happened as a result of those militia movements during Clintons reign that didn’t warrant GW Bush issuing the same kind of report during his term in response to all the threats against government then ?
There was no report issued “PUBLICLY” by his administration like this during his term that painted the whole of the left that rejected his policies as radicals or extremist even though moonbbats were running rampant in the streets protesting everything from “war mongering ” Cheney and Halliburtons who were murdering for oil while Bush lied and soldiers died as people were saying 911 was an inside job and Bush should be tried at the Hague and hung and bla bla bla .
Did we see Bush issuing reports like this warning the whole country that any liberal who was anti war might incite violence and extremism ?
Zippy;
“It justifies itself by saying that greater enforcement and plot disruption in the ’90s is actually what helped cause that movement to fade away.”
There is no justification in this report as you so ignorantly blurted.
You ask us to read it as if we were all a buch of illiterate school kids when it seems your the one who needs to brush up on his reading as the very first paragraph says;
” The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific
information that domestic rightwing* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence,”
Tell me how this report justifies itself with this disclaimer right up front ?????????????
“Read things other then right-wing hater blogs. Jeez.”
read something besides whatever the hell it is you’ve been reading
micky says: 3 hours ago I said;
“Yea, lets see how fair CNN, MSNBC is with their coverage later. Are they going to cherry pick the one or two morons who made us look bad and run with that or are they going to promote the positive message the tea parties were meant to send and support what not only conservatives are trying to say.”
The first time I turned the channel to CNN today and what did I hear ?
Roland whatshisname runs a call from a viewer saying that all these anti tax protestors need to be watched. Even though it looks like an innocent bunch they’re all a bunch of flowers with snakes hiding under them who are undermining the presidents policies.
After that call Roland invited viewers to call and tell him what they thought about the tea parties. He did not ask us to call and say what we thought about the callers idiocy.
Why am I not surprised ?
>>Marcus said: Ted you can say whatever but I’ve yet to see an overhead shot of the “thousands” out protesting. You know why? They weren’t there.
Yeah, right. Liar.
You’re gonna see whatever your libtard leaders tell you to see. There’s were hundreds of thousands out today and millions more who are in agreement but couldn’t attend. You’re getting ready to learn the hard way, that is if you have the capacity to learn at all.
Ken says: “The link I provided which you obviously did not read or even look at before you spouted off is current from a bit over a month ago. The study was done recently. It is not 9 years old.”
My apologies, James, I’ll try to speak in simple terms so that you can understand. My point was that the report was claiming the increase started in 2000. Nobody even knew who Obama was then (happier times indeed) so what was that attributed to? While we’re at it, I noticed that the report, if you can call it that, didn’t mention what THEY consider a “hate group”. What is their criteria? Or are details like that “above your paygrade”? That report didn’t cite a single specific group, much like the dhs report, it spoke in generalities. Keep trying, though.
“Do you do this with everyone who challenges you?”
If you mean do I call people out on their false accusations and lies, like we frequently get here from the Obamabots, then I would have to say “yes”.
“Occasionally, some of us may be right.”
Indeed, on some occasions they have been right. This just isn’t one of them.
“Uh, Mr. Really, Really Pi$$ed… Napolitano happens to be Janet Napolitano, a woman.”
Uh, Pat, he was referring to Obama explaining where Napolitano’s head was. Obama is still a man, I assume?
“Obviously you guys are not receptive to discussion.”
Of course, Marcus, because we don’t agree with you. Right out of the liberal tolerance playbook.
“CYA A$$wipes.”
Very mature. Par for course.
“You all act like this is some national plan to load all conservatives on a train to a camp somewhere.”
Should we wait until they are loading us onto trains before we protest? This report is meant to do one thing, lay the groundwork for an assault against conservatism, no, not physical. They will use things like these to portray anyone who disagrees with Obama as violent extremists. Every act Obama, and his cronies, have taken has been for one reason, to help the democrats hold onto power permanently.
” It logically asserts that the election of a black President, combined with an economic slump, may drive people towards greater radicalization.”
No, zippy, it mentions SPECIFICALLY pro-lifers as well as people who support immigration enforcement which are staples of the conservative mindset. These are not KKK or Neo-nazis. Apparently you didn’t read the report.
“Read things other then right-wing hater blogs. Jeez.”
Deal, as soon as you guys stop getting your talking points from Kos or MSNBC. How’s that?
>>Zippy said: It logically asserts that the election of a black President, combined with an economic slump, may drive people towards greater radicalization.
In that case, we can logically confirm that good American citizens protesting a lib president, combined with an economic slump, will drive LW fools who were already moonbats towards greater moonbattery.
As if Zippy can understand logic. I’ve got to remember that these are individuals who believes that Comedy Central is a news organization.
Ah, what are we worried about? The Bower-in-Chief will fix everything.
Jared says: So there are some parts of this report that are interesting.
Ken the Cop: what do you think about the high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists? Many of them have said it is in anticipation of restrictions and bans to come down from President Obama. Doesn’t the stockpiling of arms like this worry law enforcement just for this very reason?
I think this is a legit concern. Stockpiling weapons can just mean paranoia, but building an arsenal is the first step towards using an arsenal isn’t it? It doesn’t mean gun owners are crooks (I actually believe in gun ownership with restrictions), but big surges in gun purchases – particularly for stockpiles, is concerning. I’m mean what’s the purpose?
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Ken says: “Ken the Cop: what do you think about the high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists?”
I know that there has been an increase in weapons sales in anticipation of stricter gun control measures, but I had not read where they are being “stockpiled” by extremists. Stockpiling weapons is always a concern regardless of who or why it is being done. As long as it is legal, though, there is nothing that can be done.
“Stockpiling weapons can just mean paranoia, but building an arsenal is the first step towards using an arsenal isn’t it?”
Not at all. I know people who have many weapons and who are and have been law abiding citizens their whole lives. Possessing many weapons does not mean you are a “paranoid extremist”. I own three rifles and multiple handguns because I like to shoot, that’s all. Some people like to hunt, others compete in competitions.
“I’m mean what’s the purpose?”
I’m afraid I can’t speak for the millions of gun owners in this country. This report, however, was more about categorizing millions of people based on their political beliefs, not because of weapons purchases.
Ken says: Apparently, us “extremists” aren’t the only ones who are upset with this report:
“The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identifying veterans as potential terrorist threats.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was “dumbfounded” such a report would be issued.
“This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans — including war veterans,” Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.
“As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans — whether a person’s beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are ‘extremist’ or not,” Mr. Thompson said.”
Ken says: As intelligent as ever spoooky.
Rope says: Just curious, The One says we can no longer use the words Global war on terrorist.
The One also is refusing to use the word terrorist for the islamic fundamentalists that are out to harm us. So my question is, what makes this statement all right?
“while there is no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are planning acts of violence, such acts could come from unnamed “rightwing extremists” concerned about illegal immigration, abortion, increasing federal power and restrictions on firearms — and singled out returning war veterans as susceptible to recruitment”
I guess you have to live in America, oppose abortion, disagree with illegal immigration, believe in your second amendment rights, and service your country to be called a terrorist.
Let me guess, we call Bill Ayers…………………..misunterstood?
Good point, Rope. To liberals, the enemy is anyone who refuses to suspend their brains and fall into lock-step with their ideology. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve read them on pol sites and blogs say that conservatives are more dangerous than al-Qaeda.
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