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Isn’t that kind of a contradiction?
But leave it up to the geniuses in Washington to try to implement just that: a mandatory volunteer service corps.
The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new “volunteer corps” and consider whether “a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people” should be developed.
The legislation also refers to “uniforms” that would be worn by the “volunteers” and the “need” for a “public service academy, a 4-year institution” to “focus on training” future “public sector leaders.” The training, apparently, would occur at “campuses.”
The vote yesterday came on H.R. 1388, which reauthorizes through 2014 the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973, acts that originally, among other programs, funded the AmeriCorps and the National Senior Service Corps.
This is such a liberal idea. They don’t volunteer or give charitably on their own; they let the police power of government do it for them. Meanwhile, conservatives give quite generously and volunteer all on their own. To liberals, this is how you “volunteer”: either do it willingly or we will make you do it.
This is also kind of against the 13th Amendment of the Constitution, too:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
But then again, the current crop of politicians in Washington often don’t care about the Constitution, do they?
Also alarming are the camps these “volunteers” will have to attend. Young people will be forced to attend four year institutions to be trained on how to be good public sector leaders? That sounds an awful lot like indoctrination and conditioning to me. As Rob says,
This sounds suspiciously like indoctrination camps aimed at producing a new generation of “citizens” who will be much easier for the government to manage without all this foolish dissent and debate. And why not. It’s not like we’re living in a free country or anything.
The more plans I hear about from the Obama administration, the less like America this seems to be. And it terrifies me, quite frankly. I’m 24 years old. I’m barely old enough to have had any effect on this political system (although I try my hardest to make a difference) yet look at what I will inherit. Look at what my children will inherit. You see what kind of future you’re handing us, and you wonder why us young people don’t pay attention to politics? It’s depressing. It becomes harder and harder to have hope that this country can be saved… that we can remain that shining city on a hill. It makes us angry. It makes me angry, anyways. I’m infuriated that these aging hippie liberals like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are doing the best they can to ruin the free America they’ve been able to enjoy their entire lives for my generation, and the generations to come. I cannot tell you how angry it makes me. How are we supposed to get turned back around in the right direction? It’s starting to feel pretty hopeless these days.
I still have faith, don’t get me wrong. But news like this… it makes me scared. Very scared.
Mark says: Creating a generation of spies is more like it. Imagine sitting with your friends at the beach, shooting the bull about guns, the Marines, and whatnot. Unbeknownst to you is a little sh*thead listening in on your conservation and then ratting you out.
Who knows, they could be monitoring this blog. Mosey on over to Powerline and read about what hackers did to the reelection site for Norm Coleman. There were approximately 50,000 who contributed money to his legal team. Their personal info was first compromised then posted on the web. Names, addresses, e-mails, credit card #s.
I have to agree with Rob’s assessment. It’s not about service; it’s about brainwashing generations into accepting whatever socialist BS that comes down the pike in the future.
Larry Sheldon says: Directive 10-289 covers it well.
Larry Sheldon says: It is in Chapter Six.
steve b says: I have 14 years on you Cassy, and I am scared for my country too. Actuall scared for the first time in my life and I lived through the tail end of the cold war. The “evil” presidency of Reagan who was going to get us all killed. Sorry was chanelling a liberal for a moment. I see a shit storm coming down the pipe and dont see much hope. Praying and hoping we can get the house and part of the senate back in 2010 and hopefully we can evict the current resident of the White House in 2012.
Steve,
Your last sentence reveals the problem with the conservative mindset: too much short term thinking. We need to start looking way beyond Congressional and Presidential elections and start really seeing why the liberals have been so successful over the last 30 years. The liberals control the media and the educational system (both pre-college and college) and they do a very good job at maintaining those.
While the conservatives just concentrated on politics from the 1970’s on, the liberals moved into both of the areas I mentioned above and stretched their slimy tentacles in, pretty much guaranteeing that those two bastions will never get back to any balanced outlook, much less conservative control.
Add voters from illegal immigration and other seedy venues and you’re looking at a multi-dimensional attack on the basic foundations of this country. This wasn’t accidental: the liberals knew exactly what they were doing and they’ve had over 30 years to implement it.
Let me put it this way. Even if the Republicans manage to regain control of one of the Senate (which is pretty much the only chance they have in 2010, and they’ll have to win a ton of seats to do that), what then? Obama’s checked? Maybe. But he’s already had two years to dramatically alter the political landscape in the long-term. One of the main problems the Republicans have (and have had for a long time) is explaining their position on issues. They’ve let the Democrats pick and choose every battleground to fight on. They’ve let Democrats dictate who and what they are and now you have a party that can’t or won’t stand up. Look at how many Republicans voted on that last bill. You honestly think that’s the end of it?
Even if Obama’s voted out in 2012, I have a really bad feeling that the long-term damage will have already been done. If there is any, and I do mean any, chance the Republicans have of turning things around, they will have to be super smart and start really outmaneuvering the Democrats (something I have yet to see).
Larry Sheldon says: What Mat said.
Think:
Supreme Court number and makeup
Attacks by foreign power on us and our allies.
Loss of confidence in us by our allies (and enemies(.
Destruction of institutions.
and on
and on
and on.
Actually, there was a third leg in the triad that the liberals dominate and I couldn’t think of it. Now I did (thanks Larry for jarring my memory). Law is the third area where liberals heavily dominate. Since it’s so obvious now, I’m kicking myself for not thinking of it earlier.
One of the reasons that I keep hearing from conservatives why they don’t dominate those three areas is because of money. Ok, I can kinda understand education and media (though it’s possible to make money in those two areas), but law? You’re kidding, right? Lawyers generally make a good chunk of money (yes, I’m well aware that not all lawyers make millions, but you won’t go poor in that profession either).
Luke 12:22-32 We need do the best that we can to hold onto our freedoms, and then trust in God. Worrying never accomplishes anything (this is the home of the brave after all).
For someone my age you’re doing a great job, and what you’re doing is important. As Mat said earlier the media is one of the things that liberals control right now. But they control it now not always. We need to remember that the media they are in control of is a dying one television, newspaper, oh God I think they control the telegraph as well! They sure don’t control the radio, and they don’t control the internet (especially not blogs like yours).
Also do you think Americans are going sit by quietly by while we are bussed off to these volunteer camps? And when thousands of students are burning their (volunteer cards) do you think the average politician is going to want to be the one who is for busing? I doubt this will pass, but if it does enforcing it will be sure to get whatever party that backed it the booted out of office (which is why I don’t think it will pass).
The only way the Liberals (correction socialists) can succeed is by doing doing things very slowly. Remember what happens to a frog when you put it in boiling water, it jumps out.
After an examination of the same H.R. 1388, I came to two conclusions:
1. This is a mandatory indoctrination of “disadvantaged youth” or minority kids.
2. This can become a further statistic in the annals of the “Law of Unitended Consequences”.
These kids are going to be exposed to radical liberalism and they come from environments that foster the same. If all we do is complain and fret over the program, then we’ll have brain-washed Liberals coming out of it in just a few years.
My proposal? Volunteer to mentor these children. Teach them conservative values, and scream bloody media murder if anyone tries to stop you.
Read the following:
http://righteousrantings.blogspot.com/2009/03/national-civilian-community-corps.html
While the conservatives just concentrated on politics from the 1970’s on, the liberals moved into both of the areas I mentioned above and stretched their slimy tentacles in, pretty much guaranteeing that those two bastions will never get back to any balanced outlook, much less conservative control.
The Dems path into ecducation was easy. They promised teachers more money. They bought their loyalty.
Interestingly, most surveys show that teachers are about 1/3 each conservative, independent and liberal. However, the NEA and AFT spend 98% of their money on liberal causes, so the impression is that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal. In reality, they aren’t but vote that way because of their wallets.
We don’t even mandate inmates to do service (trash pick-up or whatever), it is voluntary and helps them get out of the system quicker.
Melinda P says: Just think Hitler…that’s what these mandatory “Service Camps” make me think of here. Be afraid, be very afraid!
Steve L,
“Interestingly, most surveys show that teachers are about 1/3 each conservative, independent and liberal. However, the NEA and AFT spend 98% of their money on liberal causes, so the impression is that teachers are overwhelmingly liberal. In reality, they aren’t but vote that way because of their wallets.”
Whether the teachers are split among three factions is irrelevant. In fact, your basic argument goes against you beause the NEA and AFT are the ones running the show (i.e. the ones shelling out 98% of their money to liberal causes…think about that percentage for a moment), not the teachers. When I was in education school about ten years ago (and I don’t think it’s changed since then), the teachers had very little to no imput on overall educational decisions. The ones who do so are the administrators and the ones in the institutions who are educating the teachers because they were the ones writing the policies that would affect schools 20-30 years down the road. In fact I finally left the program because it was so ridiculously leftist (I wasn’t the only one). The insitutional education and administrative levels are where the real power lies, and those are precisely the areas where the liberals have concentrated very heavily in over the last 30 years.
The basic point is this, regardless of whatever part of the political spectrum the teachers actually are, the policies enacted by schools are overwhelmingly run by those above them, and most of them are very much leftist.
steve b says: Matt I agree with you about the conservative movement needs to look at things in the long term as well as the short term. Your right the foundations of our society have been under attack for the past 30yrs and longer. We have a daunting task ahead of us, while it will be difficult, I am still holding out that we have a slim chance to turn this ship around.
Kevin M says: I’m 48, and the very proposition makes my flesh crawl. You have to join, you don’t get to choose what “community service” you provide…
I am stunned. Eight years after the Muzzies attack us, we get this drooling retard of a president that comes up with this crap. I hate to be premature in my observations, but if this country re-elects this cretin in 2012, that only proves we are too stupid to deserve better.
I’m only glad I’m too old to get caught in this net.
steve b,
I agree that there is a window of opportunity still available to conservatives. However, that window becomes ever smaller with each passing day. That’s why I said that we need to be smart about what we’re doing. However, given what I’ve seen from the Republican leadership (even at this late hour) does not inspire me with much confidence. Maybe the Republican Party does need to break up, since it cannot combat this problem.
J David says: The RINO Party country club is no longer a viable *conservative* option, and would be far from the first party in American history to outlive its usefulness, and die. The sooner conservative leaders in this country wake up and see that there is a communist revolution going on that must be fought ALL-OUT, and that most of the GOP are treasonous scum in bed with the other side, the sooner we are going to get a handle(if the world doesn’t end first)on the fall of Western civilization, and the late, great, USA.
J David says: But, either way, blood is gonna run in the streets, and that – very soon…
J David says: Mat, I was in teacher edu, grad in ’95(at the age of 32)and, with the glut in the market at the time and the extreme liberalism of most of the education world, I left edu. and haven’t really ever looked back.
I had some rather frightening experiences in student teaching practicum that made me realize the system was already over the cliff even then, and it has only gotten worse.
But they are going after home-schoolers and private schools, and the gov’t is not going to leave any education options for young people to avoid indoctrination. Eventually, the only way to keep kids out of gov’t hands is to marry secretly, and not register births.
J David,
Yeah, that’s roughly the time (mid to late 90’s) I was in education school. It was super left wing with all sorts of crazy theories that made no logical sense to me (and they’re now being practiced in schools). I even argued with the professors in class (btw, this was a time when I was still very much a moderate and slightly to the left…I still cannot believe I even remotely thought that way) about the ridiculousness of it. In the end, I was pretty much forced out. They don’t want teachers who can think. They want puppets who toe their line. What I find interesting was that several students who really could have been good teachers (they weren’t necessarily conservative, but they did have the ability to critically think) who left the program long before I was gone.
J David,
Pray that it does not come down to blood in the streets, because I don’t think the hotheads have any clue of what that will entail.
I was going to add this to my original response, but felt that it was a bit too much. Now that it has been uttered, here’s my take:
First of all, I’ve seen this on a number of political blogs. Here’s why doing down shooting is a really, really bad idea.
1) History is replete with many examples of conflicts not really going according to plan. It’s all well and good to make slogans like “bring ’em on, we have all the guns.” Please, you’re telling me there are no liberals or leftists who don’t know how to use guns? I don’t believe that for a moment. Now granted, I am well aware that there are many conservatives who know how to use a gun. But do you really think it’s going to be about guns? Nothing else?
Let me give an example from our Civil War. Everyone thought it would come down to one initial battle (BullRun/Manassas) and that would be it, with little blood being spilled. I think we all know that outcome of that tragedy.
2) Who exactly are we going to fight? The leftists? If you can find them, have at it. My guess is that they’ll hide behind the law, and make no mistake, the law will be on their side. If shooting starts, you’d better believe that the police will fight back to protect the law. More likely, you’ll have the military step in because they will protect the Constitution of this country, regardless of who’s in charge. Forget any sympathies you think they might have towards you. They will do their job and do it professionally. If you want to be on the receiving end of Apache gunships, be my guest. Personally that idea scares the shit out of me. Having a few guns isn’t going to change that basic equation.
3) Even after all that, and “we” manage to win, then what? Go back to what it was? By then, the entire fabric of this country will have been torn asunder. I doubt we’d ever really get the Republic back again. We got lucky back in 1865 because it could easily have moved towards a military dictatorship.
If I were to hazard a guess, it would be that another civil war would be utterly devastating to this country. Whereas the 1861-65 conflict was regional in nature, the next one (and this is a big if) would be not only regional, but ethnic and ideological, probably not unlike what happened in the Balkans in the 90’s. Needless to say, it would be one giant, gruesome mess and no, I don’t think I’m exaggerating. Merely guessing what it would be like me horrifies me to the core.
J David says: I was criticized for having grades that were “too good” for public school teaching(something about “perfectionism” and “over-achieving” and such rot)and was advised that I really should consider teaching college or private secondary edu, but college would require an MA, at least(to get started), and private schools don’t often pay a lot. I tried for a short time after graduation to find work but everywhere they wanted only part-time starters(not enough to live on and pay for school). All the time I am hearing horror stories from veteran teachers; one couple having a combined 50+ years teaching secondary told me if they had it to do over they would NEVER teach in the public schools nowadays. That capped it for me, and I moved on.
J David says: Oh, I was too vague, Mat. There will be “blood in the streets…” but I don’t intend to be anywhere near where it is being shed, or be shedding any myself, it was not an endorsement but rather a prediction, and a rather easy one to make.
Very early in my life there were racial riots, some pretty bloody ones, in some places. Those were fomented largely by a race that totals 13% of the population, and may have been less in the ’60s. When unemployment reaches a certain level, and gov’t is seen as a major culprit, esp. with Amnesty(and that WILL happen!) when legit Americans can’t feed their children, there will be riots, vigilantes, militias(some of these thing just to get protection from rampant lawlessness that gov’t refuses to protect people from) by the general populace. Those will be ended by bloody police and military action, and martial law. The citizens of this country, even now, have less rights than criminal, violent invaders, while the gov’t continues to invite them in, and promises eventual legal status, while those invaders plunder, steal identities, rape, and kill.
The leaders of this country are now gaining power BY BREAKING THE LAWS THEY WRITE, and then promising to fix the system they broke, in crisis mode, at the cost of ever-more individual liberties. At some point the promises won’t fill empty stomachs, there will be a bombing, a black out, earthquakes, and/or other catastrophe, and the dam of violence will break wide open.
J David says: Civil war has been in the back of my mind for some years now, and may happen if these state sovereignty movements are serious, and contested by an o’erweening federal oligarchy.
I have been re-reading Shelby Foote’s “The Civil War” lately, and while reading it I have lately been asking myself what is so different between them, then, and us now, except that both sides then were led by many devout, God-fearing Christians, on both sides. We are led by a bunch of God-hating, America-hating, law-breaking perverts, who have no fear of God or respect for fellow man.
J David says: The Confederacy had valid legal/Constitutional issues, and they had a prior Revolution in their recent history, and the righteous indignation combined with the moral fiber to risk life-and-limb for their liberties. Unfortunately for them the match that lit the fuse was an IMMORAL issue of slavery already on the wane, and undesired by the majority of the nation, and it doomed their cause from the start.
Lincoln was the first Republican president, for a party created to combat slavery, but ran for re-election under a different party name. The Republican Party of our time has doomed itself by an alliance with those who would bring back the moral equivalent of slavery by looking the other way on illegal immigration, and by destroying the country by joining(or making unavoidable the joining) of our country to the utterly failed, and morally bankrupt Bandito Nation with Amnesty.
J David says: This country, and the world are now turning against Abraham’s race, and that is sure doom… No country or civilization ever comes back from persecuting Jews to long survive. The Jews have beaten as many a thirteen, I believe, countries simultaneously in my lifetime. The salvation of that race will determine the fate of humanity…
Kevin M says: My own little 2 cents:
All this talk about civil war is horrific. If anybody thinks this country will go to an actual civil war, they’re crazy. Massive outbreaks of violence? Very possible. And that would be very, very bad for everyone. It’s one thing to play with your gun collection and think you have what it takes to make a difference, whatever the hell that means, but if shooting erupts, get ready to see gang violence go through the roof, martial law clamping down and lots of funerals for lots of people who weren’t causing any problems to begin with.
The president is an ass-clown and the right wing is understandably upset. Sentiments like “Step One: Civil War” does not bespeak well of anyone. I remember the street violence from the VietNam years. There is no need for that. Nothing good came of it.
Obama can be the worst president in history, but just like GWB he will last for his 4-8 years and then go away. We’ll still be here. The hyperbole and vitriol of civil war and unrest in the streets is completely outside the pale of reasonable thought. Seriously. If the bullets start flying, 95% of these “Let’s have at ’em!” clowns will be ducking under their desks. It’s keyboard warrior bullshit written by somebody who’s never had to clean up the debris from a bombed building.
Glenn Cassel AMH1(AW) USN RET says: Having had a lottery number in the last draft, this one needs to be fought tooth and nail. And I volunteered for service in The United States Navy, do no one gets a hair up their ass.
Agreed at the time I enlisted in September of 1973, Vietnam was pretty much over. But I went in for another purely selfish reason at that time. I had to get the hell out of my home town.
Selective Service Registration was the law of the land then, as it is now. That’s if you want a Federal job, help with college tuition, etcetera.
But his borders on Nazi Germany in 1933 with Der Hitler Jugend. No getting around it folks. Remember the video with the kids in cammie trousers and olive drab t-shirts? Give this Old Retired Petty Officer about 30 minutes with a crowd like that and their “adult” supervision and attitudes will change. And I will do it all with presence and voice. Just close order drill and PT. A 20 says the adults will crap in their drawers before the kiddies.
Hey everyone,
Take a look at #30 and see who pinged to this article. That jackass is calling Cassy an “uneducated gun nut.”
Feel free to go to the site and post comments. I already did. I felt I was talking to a child… 🙂
We sure are becoming very Orwellian, and many of us are ushering in the “change” with a smile and cheers. Thank God for those of us resisting the destruction of the greatest culture in all the world. Keep up the good fight, Cassy!
Ima Nonymous says: Just to be a Constitutional purist, the prohibition against “involuntary servitude” does not necessarily apply to what Captain Clueless is proposing. As used at the time of the founding, this refers specifically to the practice of indentured servitude, and more specifically, to the very common Royal Navy practice of entering pubs and impressing the drunks.
As long as no repercussions attached to someone who refused for valid reason to participate, a “mandatory voluntary service” program would pass Constitutional muster. Further, it appears that Captain Clueless intends this to be implemented through the public education system, which would further shield it from a Constitutional challenge.
janice gassert says: I will be 70 years old the 29th of April. my daughter called awhile ago and was telling me about this dumb act. She is a cpa and seemed to think that this would include people between 55 and 70. I retired when I was 68 after having worked hard all of my life, since I was 14 and I was not too pleased to hear of this dumb Obama law. Please let me know if there is any truth in this?
RickR says: To the person that worried about Apache gunships on the other side. Don’t forget, there are people in the military (most of them, actually) that would side with freedom & conservative beliefs. I was in the Army, I have talked to quite a few soldiers, most are against the liberal mantra (this was back in the “don’t ask, don’t tell days of Clinton). And the ones that were around back then are in command positions today.
I actually don’t see it going that far anyway, I think if a few top/key liberal officials get removed from office, most of the rest would quit or toe the line. The unrest/blood in the streets will be demonstrations that boil over to riots. Maybe some LEO/Nat’l Guard/Military conflicts with gangs/rioters. But I really can’t see it going all the way to a toe-to-toe fight with the Military.
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