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as democrats threaten to ram the bulbously complicated healthcare reform bill down american’s throats, the costs move upwards to a trillion dollars.
we know the bills in both houses are ridiculously complicated and filled with legislative legal-esed that makes it difficult for the average voter to make sense of it. they are also too big and cumbersome for the average well-intentioned lawmaker to read. all the bills want to spend scads and scads of money we do not have. in fact, the actual cost of health care isn’t even addressed in any meaningful way in any of the bills currently being considered. and being democrat-driven, all the bills will make big government only bigger to regulate, control, limit and (whether you admit it or not) ration the care you will receive under it. and to top it all off, millions of us will have new tax liabilities to cover this ‘reform’.
in thinking ahead about 2010 and 2012 elections, it is to the gop’s great shame that when we had majorities in congress and the white house that we didn’t move forward any of the major conservative ideas for healthcare reform that have been floating out there for some time. if that had happened, it would have demonstrated to the country a commitment to reform and to free market principles.
there are many (R)’s with good plans and ideas these days that aren’t getting a lot of media attention. jennifer rubin discusses a one-page healthcare reform plan that jeffrey anderson has put together based on republican proposals and pundit columns. here’s just a few of the ideas from the short version of the affordable conservative healthcare reform plan:
1. Leave employer-provided insurance as it is and give individuals a $2,500 tax credit to equalize tax treatment for individuals who buy their own insurance.
2. Allow individuals to buy insurance across state lines.
3. Extend COBRA for up to 30 months, allowing people to keep their insurance if they leave a job.
4. Remove government regulations limiting insurers from offering premium breaks for healthy lifestyle choices.
5. Enact real malpractice reform (limit punitive damages to $250,000 and all noneconomic damages to $750,000).
6. Provide help to encourage insurance pools for the hard to insure
you can see jeffrey anderson’s entire conservative healthcare reform plan in a 1-page format here.
even though being out of power sucks, it does give us an opportunity to re-think, re-group, and re-visit some of our brighter ideas that got shoved aside for one reason or another. though the dems have full and tight control of power, because of the incompetency of obama, they no longer control the debate and americans are paying attention.
republicans, and conservatives in particular, should work to show that our party is indeed a reform party by promoting real reforms.
TeenaS says: Everyday as I read more and more I can see that health care reform will be yet another scam to increase government payroll, taxes and the burden on middle class.
Mike says: Yes, reform of healthcare costs and better coverage needs to be addressed. No, Obama’s socialized government healthcare plan is not the answer. We need to crack down on Medicare/Medicaid/Insurance fraud; tort reform over malpractice suits to reduce costs; and make our current public health programs (SCHIP, Medicaid, Medicare) work better. That’s reform that someone like me, an independent who leans left, could get behind.
Kate, I think this may be the best, most well-written post I have seen on your blog to date. Well-reasoned, articulate, and realistic. (You’ll forgive me if I don’t reach the same conclusions, eh?)
Point by point:
“and being democrat-driven, all the bills will make big government only bigger to regulate, control, limit and (whether you admit it or not) ration the care you will receive under it. and to top it all off, millions of us will have new tax liabilities to cover this ‘reform’.”
I don’t agree, but I respect that you might believe this. I think the fundamental difference between our positions is that you are more inclined to trust the private sector, while viewing government as corrupt, while I believe the inverse. That, in a nutshell, is the source of a lot of the left-right debate, IMHO.
“in thinking ahead about 2010 and 2012 elections, it is to the gop’s great shame that when we had majorities in congress and the white house that we didn’t move forward any of the major conservative ideas for healthcare reform that have been floating out there for some time. if that had happened, it would have demonstrated to the country a commitment to reform and to free market principles.”
An honest criticism of your own party. One has to respect that. I do believe that there are Republicans with integrity. I’m afraid they don’t have much power within the party, though.
“even though being out of power sucks, it does give us an opportunity to re-think, re-group, and re-visit some of our brighter ideas that got shoved aside for one reason or another. though the dems have full and tight control of power, because of the incompetency of obama, they no longer control the debate and americans are paying attention.”
I think you’re right on the money here. The Republican party needs to look inward and fix itself rather than impede Obama and the Democrats. The Republican party put itself in this position because of all the corruption and the betrayal of their ideals. If they really want to challenge the Democrats, they’re going to have to get their own house in order first. They need to purge their ranks of people like Senator John Ensign (R-NV) and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK).
A painful time is in store for the GOP. But the sooner they recognize it, the sooner they’ll get through it.
JohnC says: Obama and his disciples are finding out that health care reform is not the downhill coast to victory into the arms of adoring crowds that they had planned for. These days, their promises and test market slogans are mocked and under scrutiny. They admit that they don’t have enough money and they are not able to provide coverage for the uninsured — something that was promised prior to the election. We all know that the cost estimates are too low and the tax burden to the middle class is much higher then they say. For me the key question is: how will we pay for this and what kind of quality do we get for the money? So far, Obama nor his people have answered that for me.
Democrats will never go along with any kind of malpractice reform as long as all the lawyers are putting money in their pockets.
TORT/malpractice reform being one of the biggest components of any conservtive bill is why we see them acting as if any conservative proposals dont even exist.
This is not about anyone on the left caring anything about anyones health. Its all about power, instituting liberal agendas like abortion and maintaining an edge so they can assure themselves a captive voting base in further elections.
” think the fundamental difference between our positions is that you are more inclined to trust the private sector, while viewing government as corrupt, while I believe the inverse. That, in a nutshell, is the source of a lot of the left-right debate, IMHO.”
The largest percentage of corruption and fraud in the health care industry takes place right whithin medicaid. When your driven by some sort of fiscal maintenence and responsibility you less likely to let these things happen.
Anyone who uses “government” and “affordable healthcare’ in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously.
I dont see how anyone aware of the governments record when it comes to operating any service whithin feasable limits would trust the government to handle a prgram 1/7th the size of our entire economy. I’ll bet good money that whats already climbed to a trillion dollars will end up being at least 2-3 trillion when all is said and done. The average American is already in the hole to the fed for 10,000.00 in the next 10 years.
Insane.
PenniePan says: Oh pleeeeeeze! The only Republicans that are left (you are a dwindling party) are intellectually bankrupt and proven to be untrustworthy with the country’s business. The last election was a referendum on the so-called “Republican ideas” (non-ideas really). When you’re out of ideas, crazy is all you have left.
kate said: ok pennie, it’s done!
“The last election was a referendum on the so-called “Republican ideas”
Not at all.
It was the result of bunch of people who were too stupid to realize that George W Bush wasnt running for president. The mindset was that a vote for Obama was a vote against Bush
thanks dade.
my opinion on the gov’t involvement is less is better – no surprise. i just want the gov’t to protect our borders and leave me alone. 🙂 i think whenever they get involved, it messes stuff up and costs a small fortune.
yes there are (R)’s with integrity and for too long they have been relegated to back benches because of what your side calls “the old white men”. however i bet if you and i were to compile a list of who we think are the (R)’s with integrity they may look different! heh.
as far as ensign and coburn — i think ensign should go. he lies and is a cheater. if he cheats on people he knows and loves, what does that say about his ethics for people he doesn’t know and love (ie constituents)? coburn is a different matter. i am not certain we know all the facts there but, when we do, if he broke senate rules or laws or aided in covering ensign’s tracks, he needs to step back as well. that would grieve me because i think coburn is a good senator.
in many ways, i think obama has given the gop a gift in that being in the desert gives us lots of time to rethink our principles and values. i am hoping that it also helps elected (R)’s to develop backbones.
PenniePan says: Kate that’s silly. Look at John Boehner. He is your leader in the House, correct? Tell me, how did he ever get to be a “GOP leader”? What’s wrong with the state of Ohio? He’s some leader alright with his fakey orange tan and do nothing but smoke and cuss attitude. When you rightwingers put idiots like that in charge of your party, you get elections that ensure you live in the desert with no power. The GOP is all but dead. If I had to make an educated guess, I would say the Green Party, the Libertarians, and the Independents will all enjoy huge adds to their roles while the Reps lose massive amounts of people.
Singh says: “i just want the gov’t to protect our borders and leave me alone.”
If the government is good enough to be in charge of the military, the government is good enough to be in charge of seeing you get proper health care.
Paul says: Apparently a number of GOP “leaders” have the guts AND THE INTELLIGENCE to say they support Barack’s health-care reform measures. They include: Bill Frist, Tommy Thompson, Michael Bloomberg, Howard Baker, Bob Dole, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So much for the growth of conservative healthcare reform.
Jane says: Paul who cares what Republicans are supporting HCR? They mean nothing. I care about how many current Democratic congressmen/senators are on board with them. Because if the Dems don’t stand for this, they will be forced out of office by US not some weak and lifeless Republican.
Fiddle_de_Dee says: Well bless your little conservative heart! Already dreaming of victory in 2010 and even 2012 I bet. Well you couldn’t be further from the truth. 2010 is going to be a very bad year for the GOP. People throughout the country are beginning to view the Democrats as actually trying to do something to deal with a very complex series of problems that were left to them by the GOP. They don’t see the GOP as helpful at all or with any new ideas. They believe the GOP is not interested in helping everyday people and the President, by comparison, is at the very least trying to do something. I predict that the GOP will once again suffer a net loss of seats. When the Dems win in 2010 they will be even more aggressive on policy matters for the remaining two years of Obama’s first term which should position him well for a landslide blowout and 8 years in office.
Ken says: “They include: Bill Frist, Tommy Thompson, Michael Bloomberg, Howard Baker, Bob Dole, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.”
And see how many of them still have jobs after the next election cycle.
“Paul who cares what Republicans are supporting HCR? They mean nothing.”
Oh, I absolutely agree Jane. Please do it without a single Republican vote, it will make our return in 2010 that much easier. Your attitude is the perfect display of the modern democrat. You can sit back and think that the country has taken a sharp turn to the left, but it hasn’t. With every new program you piss away trillions of dollars on and ram down Americans throats is a few more votes in getting the Republicans back in office. Please keep it up!!!
“People throughout the country are beginning to view the Democrats as actually trying to do something to deal with a very complex series of problems that were left to them by the GOP.”
LOL!!! And you guys call us delusional!!!! I love it!!!
Ken says: “Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) downplayed the seriousness of allegations against Rangel that he failed to disclose sources of income and pay taxes on some properties, saying that many lawmakers suffer from innocent lapses in judgment when filing mandatory financial disclosure forms.
“I want to tell you, there are many members who, if you go back over all of their records, over all of the years, you’re going to find that there were disclosures that were not made,” Waters said during an appearance on MSNBC Wednesday morning.”
So in other words, Maxine is saying “We’re all crooks! What’s the big deal?” What was it someone was saying about corruption in the Republican party????
The people did not turn to the democrats because of Republican “corruption”, if they did they are much dumber than I first thought. They were tired of being bombarded with daily “scandals”, all of which turned out to be nothing of course, involving Bush, but it was sufficient to make people turn to the democrats.
Talk about putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.
Pennie:
“The GOP is all but dead.”
Fiddle:
“. 2010 is going to be a very bad year for the GOP. ”
From Rasmussen:
“Republican congressional candidates have moved ahead of Democrats this week in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.
“National telephone survey shows that 43% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 39% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.
“This past summer, support for Republican candidates ranged from 41% to 44%, while support for Democrats ranged from 36% to 40%. Looking back one year ago, support for the two parties was strikingly different. ”
“Support for Democrats fell two points over the past week, while support for the GOP rose by one point.”
“The latest results match those found two weeks ago. Last week, Republicans held a two-point lead over Democrats.”
“Forty-nine percent (49%) of Americans now say that the U.S. economy will be stronger in five years than it is today. That figure is down from 64% in March. ”
” only 43% of voters believe the United States and its allies are winning the war on terror. That’s little changed from a month ago but down 12 points from 55% the week President Obama took office in January. ”
“Forty-four percent (44%) say the United States is safer today than it was before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Fifty-one percent (51%) felt that way at the time Obama became president.”
“54% of voters believe that the health care system needs major changes, but just 41% support the comprehensive reform proposed by the president. ”
“Most voters (62%) continue to believe the nation is heading down the wrong track. ”
pennie, fiddle, the numbers say otherwise.
I know wishful thinking is great for the spirit but the fact is that right now the country and even the MSM is beggining to see you guys for the failures you are.
Fiddle, where do you get all that “STUFF” from when evey policy or agenda of the presidents is either failing, incomplete or being pushed forward for the 5th 6th time ? You’ve had all the power in all three depts for the last 9 months and what have you done ?
The biggest fight on the hill right now is between members of your own party and not with the right.
Afghanistan is failing.
Our allies wont work with us on the GWOT
Our major trade partners are ditching the dollar
We have the largest debt/deficit ever.
Unemployment is as high as its been since the 30s.
Paul.
Have you noticed that all the guys you mention are from moonbat states that are broke ?
SouthernProgressive says: Oh I am so sick of Republicans and their mousely little conservative step-siblings! All you do is complain! I haven’t been here in such a long time but it’s as if I never left! This blog does nothing but whine and bitch and moan! I wish the Rapture would come right… NOW.
With a bit of luck and some very hard work, we could fix this healthcare reform mess if you freakin idiots would just get out of our way.
Songbird says: Hello all. It is my sincere hope that the GOP never return to power. Torture. Pre-emptive War. Unchecked Executive Power. Spying on Citizens. Unchecked Corporate Capitalism. These are all attributed to today’s Republican party. May the rise of Barack Obama banish the GOP forever!
A_Reluctant_Pundit says: Kate
Passionate post even with the grammer errors, however, I want absolutely nothing to do w/ the party of Sarah, Rush, Newt, and Darth. Thanks anyway.
Ken says: “I haven’t been here in such a long time”
Really? Nobody really noticed.
“This blog does nothing but whine and bitch and moan!”
Interesting comment, considering your entire post is one big whine and bitch and moan. It’s called irony, genius.
“With a bit of luck and some very hard work, we could fix this healthcare reform mess if you freakin idiots would just get out of our way.”
More like “With a trillion dollars and some mind numbing incompetence, we could screw up health care beyond comprehension, if you freakin idiots would stop demanding people actually READ the bill.” Fixed it for you.
“These are all attributed to today’s Republican party. May the rise of Barack Obama banish the GOP forever!”
Another Obamabot. Hey songbird, apparently you haven’t been watching the polls. Obama is sinking faster and faster because of his arrogance and stupidity. Before you go polishing your ethics you might want to consider the fact that Obama has kept a number of Bush era policies regarding many of the items you mentioned.
Try reading something other than the New York Times….you may learn something.
” May the rise of Barack Obama banish the GOP forever ! ”
Mmmm mmmm mmmm
“I wish the Rapture would come right… NOW.”
Whos your messiah ? Only liberals will be saved ?
“With a bit of luck and some very hard work, we could fix this healthcare reform mess if you freakin idiots would just get out of our way.”
Uh, excuse me. Last I checked it was you guys in charge, right ?
Besides that, the only thing standing in you way right now is your own party.
Its called “infighting”
Ken says: “Passionate post even with the grammer errors,”
Hey champ, if you’re going to come here with your arrogant attitude and start correcting people, you might want to learn how to spell. It’s “grammar”. It just makes you look really stupid when you go around correcting people, then misspell words. Get it?
“I want absolutely nothing to do w/ the party of Sarah, Rush, Newt, and Darth.”
Happier about that, I could not be.
Holy Moly! According to Erick Erickson of Redstate.com:
“I am told quite reliably that in a meeting today on Capitol Hill, Republican Senators began to rapidly move toward concessions on health care because they are afraid they cannot hold their members. Some Republicans are now thinking of supporting a government program.”
The GOP is surrendering! Out-of-the-blue! Holy cow! It was alll a bluff! The tea-bagger thing was all a bluff! Unbelievable!
Yeah well Dade, you forgot to mention this part.
Erikson:
“UPDATED:] I’m hearing this evening from both some Senators in the room and staff that the fears of GOP caving are overblown and we should not be concerned. “
gene says: us democrats may have to put up with the likes of nancy big tits pelosi and harry reid but i’d rather have them then the greedy, selfish, cold-hearted, untrustworthy, boorish republicons any day.
micky i believe dade over you any time anywhere.
Jay says: To the post writer: This is hysterical!! You have a unreal view of Utopia don’t you? Here are some facts for you and the other mindless wonders that park here…
Thinking people should applaud and wait with great anticipation the deterioration, downsizing, and eventual elimination of the Republican Party in this country. There are very few nations around the globe with crazy freaks nearly half as insane as what has become the mainstream of the Republican Party in the US. Of course there are small political factions in other places that hold radical views but when you consider that the US has only 2 major parties with one being the Republicans, we have a problem here that few people discuss. Is there any major political party in any industrialized country that shares the same philosophy as the GOP on say guns, abortion, separation of church and state, health care, taxation, labor, crazy schemes like a flat tax, elimination of the Department of Education, privatization of everything? Nope. You guys are dinosaurs. Freakazoids who need to crawl back under your neanderthal rocks and disappear. There is no viable “conservative” health care plan. This post is not just Utopian thinking, it is also borderline idiocy.
David says: I like most every reform that the Republican party is proposing except for the relatively low limits on malpractice.
I don’t want to see paying attention in healthcare matters turned into a simple game of “each mistake only costs us $X”. I don’t want to see hospitals or insurance companies working on the premise that they can d*ck over me or someone else and it’s “OK” because it will “only cost them” $250,000 or $750,000, etc.
Ken says: “Thinking people should applaud and wait with great anticipation the deterioration, downsizing, and eventual elimination of the Republican Party in this country.”j
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
You guys are like parrots spitting up your Olbermann talking points. Keep counting us out…..please. If you’re an example of a “thnking person”, Jay, then this country is defintiely in more trouble than I thought.
“There are very few nations around the globe with crazy freaks nearly half as insane as what has become the mainstream of the Republican Party in the US.”
Please see the democratic party, or the communist party, not that there’s much difference.
“You guys are dinosaurs.”
Ooo, ooo, can I be a T-Rex?!?!?!
“Freakazoids who need to crawl back under your neanderthal rocks and disappear.”
Again, please check the polls, genius, the Republicans aren’t going anywhere. Obama and the dems are single handedly bringing the party back to life, in record time I might add. Keep clinging to your fantasy of nationwide domination, it will only lead to the democrats downfall.
“There is no viable “conservative” health care plan.”
That’s it, DENIAL!!!! It ain’t just a river in Egypt. First, the neo-socialists complained that the Reupblicans had no plan, then when they present a plan they pretend it doesn’t exist. Such maturity!!!
I realize that like most trolls, Jay will post his chidish insults and then scamper back under his bridge, not returning to read anyones response, but I just thought that ignorance like his needed to be addressed.
Ken says: “greedy, selfish, cold-hearted, untrustworthy,”
Yes, because the dems are selfless, generous, war hearted, and so VERY trustworthy, gene. An excellent point!!
“micky i believe dade over you any time anywhere.”
It came from the exact same source as he listed gene.
Did you go to Redstate.com ?
Sheez.
Well, Ken, and all,
It looks like you are about to be betrayed by your own party. Watch and see. The Republicans are going to start to break ranks when it becomes apparent that health care reform is going to pass.
Eric Cantor has been making noises about “working together for a change.” He’s supposed to meet with Steny Hoyer to talk about it. Taken with the quote from Redstate.com, it seems to me that the GOP is quickly moving toward capitulation.
You all are going to be really pissed off when you realize that Boehner and Cantor and McConnell have been using you. Mark my words: Republican solidarity is about to collapse.
” Taken with the quote from Redstate.com, it seems to me that the GOP is quickly moving toward capitulation. ”
To which it was basically said, “aint about nothing’
I’ll go with the numbers derived from public opinion before I listen to soothsayers.
“Eric Cantor has been making noises about “working together for a change.”
So has every patronizing politician since the beggining of time.
Most of the people you mention are reps from states that are broke and by no means are interested in bi partisan solutions or socialized medicine.
The real question Dade is what exactly is ” healthcare reform” going to look like ?
There are at least 3 bills in the works and no one even knows what the hell is in them ( and will probably never get to read) exept for the few attractive morsels they choose to feed the general public
The decieving sound bite that everyone wants healthcare reform needs to start being clarified.
Its disengenuous to run around and keep saying everyone wants healthcare reform as if it only applies to what your perception of it is.
I dont know anyone that doesnt want reform but the fact is that most people are not too crazy about a huge government run healthcare system.
I find it awfully convenient on your part that the first assertion from Erickson is good enough for you, but the update he posted shortly after is not.
dade you mentioned 2 (R)’s that i doubt very seriously will capitulate: eric cantor and john boehner. there are a lot of rumors flying around and i think we’ll just have to wait and see. frankly, i see the (R)’s being totally shut out of the process which is hardly capitulation.
Okay, Micky. Here’s what Erickson reported first:
“I am told quite reliably that in a meeting today on Capitol Hill, Republican Senators began to rapidly move toward concessions on health care because they are afraid they cannot hold their members. Some Republicans are now thinking of supporting a government program.”
Then, as you pointed out, he updated the report as follows:
“[UPDATED:] I’m hearing this evening from both some Senators in the room and staff that the fears of GOP caving are overblown and we should not be concerned.”
But, to me, the update smacks of a rapid-response attempt to quell a panic within the GOP caucus. The report went out and somebody on Boehner’s or McConnell’s staff freaked out and said, “We’ve got to contain this, right away!”
Now, behind the scenes GOP leadership is frantically trying to whip their caucus into shape.
I could be all wrong and it wouldn’t be the first time. This is just what I think is happening. We’ll see how it plays out…
“But, to me, the update smacks of a rapid-response attempt to quell a panic within the GOP caucus. ”
That would just be your opinion. As I said, the numbers from reliable polls as far as generic ballots go and the positions the majorities on the hill hold go totally against what you’re saying.
I think your just as much a victim of wishful thinking as you claim the update is a response to quell anything.
“Now, behind the scenes GOP leadership is frantically trying to whip their caucus into shape. ”
More than likely its becaue they’re trying to figure out the best way to stop thid from being crammed down our throats.
“I could be all wrong and it wouldn’t be the first time. This is just what I think is happening. We’ll see how it plays out…”
Fair enough, but I still see much more evidence to the contrary.
Cons know that a huge government mandated healthcare program shutting down the private sector will trap many in an entitlement thereby prompting them to vote dem in the next election.
This is one reason were trying to keep this power grab away from you guys. Hooking those that are dependent on government programs is an age old dem tactic
Kate,
I agree that Boehner and Cantor will not themselves capitulate. But there are others in the Republican caucus that probably secretly want to vote for health care reform, but have been forbidden from doing so in order to maintain an appearance of party solidarity.
In the House, it doesn’t really matter, of course. It’s in the Senate where it can make a difference.
When you consider that, as Paul commented earlier, there are a number of prominent Republicans, including Bill Frist, Tommy Thompson, Michael Bloomberg, Howard Baker, Bob Dole, and Arnold Schwarzenegger have all expressed support for reform, they are probably expressing the sentiments of Republicans in congress that are afraid to go public with their support.
(Ken’s retort to this evidence was disappointing. He said: “And see how many of them still have jobs after the next election cycle.” Ken is usually a much better debater than that. The obvious vacuity of his statement is pointed up by the fact that, of those Republicans mentioned, only Arnie and Bloomberg currently hold elected office. And I don’t think either of them is eligible for reelection.)
My prediction is that there will be a health care reform bill passed by both houses of congress and signed by the President. It will include some form of “public option” and it will have bipartisan support.
Like I said, I could be all wrong. So, let’s see what happens…
Micky says:
“Cons know that a huge government mandated healthcare program shutting down the private sector will trap many in an entitlement thereby prompting them to vote dem in the next election. This is one reason were trying to keep this power grab away from you guys. Hooking those that are dependent on government programs is an age old dem tactic.”
Well, I agree with you, although I would phrase it differently.
Just as the Republicans fought tooth-and-nail against Social Security and Medicare and the creation of the VA, they are now fighting against universal health care. But it is going to pass. And once it is passed, it will be enshrined in the American “house politic” for perpetuity.
Look what happened when Junior tried to monkey with Social Security. He got lambasted.
I mean no disrespect to any of the conservatives on this blog, many of whom I consider friends, but I believe you are going to lose this fight. We’ll see…
“Just as the Republicans fought tooth-and-nail against Social Security and Medicare and the creation of the VA, they are now fighting against universal health care. ”
To which all ended up costing 10 times more than originally thought, or proposed.
Theres enough proof that once the government gets its hands on it, its a disaster.
But no, regardless of the overwhelming evidence that this would be a disaster you guys will go forward with it anyway.
Its really pretty disgusting that this is supposedly all in the name of a doing good.
Passing this could be the single largest mistake dems have ever made, for themselves and everyone else.
“Look what happened when Junior tried to monkey with Social Security. He got lambasted. ”
That was a move to involve the private sector. Which by now as we can see was a pretty damn good idea.
I dont think we can say anyone will be a winner or a loser yet especially since no one has a clue as to what any of these bills will look like when they are done
BikerDan says: I am a firm believe that stupid never goes away. I can see the Republican’s caving but they better not. The country will never forgive them if they do.
Paul says: Just a reminder here that politics is all about power. If you don’t have power, you can’t do anything. Republicans have no power; the consequences of a failed Bush administration and poorly run election with a horrible candidate. It hardly matters if any republicans capitulate. The dems can do whatever they want, however they want because they have the power.
If the republicans capitulate, it only matters to republican voters.
Lucy says: The President said that as soon as he signs the HCR bill it will be illegal to deny or price health insurance based on pre-existing conditions. Was he speaking literally or is that one of the things that will not take effect until 2013? Does anyone know?
“Republicans have no power; the consequences of a failed Bush administration and poorly run election with a horrible candidate. ”
Hardly.
Maybe because of McCain, yeah. But certainly not because you guys voted against a man who couldnt of run for office if he wanted to. Whom by the way did manage to get re elected for being such a failure.
With all the power you boast you should realize thats its really done nothing for you in 9 months but make matters worse for yourselves and almost guarantee Obama will be a one termer.
That wont stop the prevailing campaign stratgey your party holds that will blame Bush for everything, even in 2012. You’d better think of something else because it wont win you that election like it did the last.
Ken says: “The dems can do whatever they want, however they want because they have the power. ”
Then why haven’t they Paul? Why even try to work with the Republicans? Why haven’t they passed it yet? I’d love to hear this one.
Ken says: Sorry, guys, I guess you’ll have to cross Bob Dole off of your “Republicans supporting the dems health care bill”. Awwww, and you guys were so excited to use it!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/11/report-dnc-scraps-health-care-ad-doles-request/
“The Democratic National Committee reportedly has decided to yank a new TV commercial on health care reform at the request of former Sen. Bob Dole, who complained to the White House that the ad was deceptive.”
The dems deceptive?? The hell you say????
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