Mental Midgetry And Front Line Service

by Dejah Thoris on January 27, 2013

So, I am sitting over breakfast having a conversation with my Man-Friend, who has spent some time in SOF and has also served in overseas and fought in Afghanistan.  He is retired now, and is playing games on the new iPad I got him for Christmas while we eat breakfast.

Me:  Did you see the news this morning?

Him:  Yep. (he is a man of many words when he wants to be)

Me:  (wincing) What did you think of that decision by the SecDef  (I try to talk his language sometimes, he thinks its cute)

Him:  Well, I can tell you straight up that he doesn’t know shit about combat, or women, or anything more aggressive than a stuffed teddy bear fight, because if he cared about this country, or the US military, he wouldn’t let broads be anywhere near combat.

Me:  (F’!!!  I hate that word BROADS!)  (Wincing again) Besides you being a man, what makes you say that baby?

Now, at this point, I should probably point out that this was probably where it went all wrong that morning, but for the sake of the argument, I will keep the relationship stuff out of this and just focus on the parts of the argument he made, which, as much as I hate to admit as a woman, who tries to keep my veejay out of the argument, made a ton of sense.  He can be a bit vulgar, and I have removed some of the swear words, but in order to get his points across, I left some of the less offensive stuff in there…

Him:  (takes a deep breath)   Babe, the experience of combat is unique to each individual soldier, and is based upon distance, time and location in the war zone; as well as what jobs they work in and where they spend their time.  The fighting may be close or far, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is still combat.  I can definitively say that the experience of a helicopter pilot flying close air support missions for me while the bullets were snapping around me or the artilleryman firing on distant targets that I have marked for him will be different than the experience of the guy on the ground receiving that support who is in the heat of the fight.

You only have to have 3 working brain cells, and the libs are running short already, to know that the nature of warfare has changed. The big set piece battles of maneuvering armies and massive invasions using combined arms are becoming a thing of the past.  Soldiers are now fighting what we in the military like to call the “3 Block War” and the result of this change in doctrine is that many occupations, such as human intelligence specialists, mechanics, military police and a whole host of MOS’s now find themselves in positions and situations that involve actual ground combat of some kind; such as fighting through an ambush or supporting operations taking place under direct enemy fire.  Women are serving in these roles in every service that in wars past were  previously reserved for men.  We have women flying attack helicopters in close air support missions supporting troops fighting on the ground, flying fighter jets and gunships in support of firebases under attack, returning fire and shooting the enemy while escorting convoys, patrolling with male infantry soldiers in order to gather intelligence, providing medical support on FOBs, conducting civil affairs missions, and leading engineer units in building infrastructure for local villages and at firebases far forward on the battlefield.  I have observed directly the fine work they have done to support me and they were an integral part of my efforts to accomplish my mission.  

But baby, you and I both know that those facts and those good works and great efforts do not change the reality of the nature of how combat, particularly infantry combat, has not changed in 2,000 years of warfare.  I can tell you from personal experience that Infantry Combat continues to involve, especially in the War on Terror, closing the distance with these crap-weasels and brutally killing them.

I will say that at this point, this is uncharted territory for our relationship, because he has never been specific about what he did overseas during any of his deployments and truly, I would really never want to know that side of him unless he was fighting off a home invasion by meth-heads or saving me from zombies….

Him:  (Continues)  Soldiers in the infantry, Special Operations, Armor and Cavalry still must, despite all of the advances and developments in technology, still have to move on the battlefield to a place where they can close within range of their weapon systems and engage their enemies with fire, maneuver and shock effect.  In order to dislodge their enemies from cities and villages, we sometimes close to within “bad breath” distance and are fighting hand to hand.  Infantry Soldiers still carry the same approximate weight load into battle that their comrades in the Roman Legions did, which averages about 60 pounds.  When we used to go on missions, my average gear load weighed 65 pounds, sometimes I carried 95 pounds of gear on my body if we were hitting a hard target and expected more resistance.  Artillerymen, for example, who once used wagons and horses to move about the battlefield, are now using vehicles to move powder and ammunition on the battlefield, but that ammunition and powder is larger and heavier than in any other time in history; and it is still loaded, moved and fired using hands and muscles.  Armor and Cavalry soldiers must move their ammunition by hand in order to load their tanks and vehicles and even the most basic maintenance on those vehicles is extremely labor intensive and involves the use of body, strength and leverage.  Special Forces soldiers especially, when we conduct missions far into enemy territory, we must take all of their equipment with us in rucksacks that at times are unbearably heavy.  Bottom line baby; Infantry combat is hard, dirty, bloody, murderous, and physically demanding.  It takes a terrible toll physically and mentally on men and they are never the same after taking part in it.

The part of this that I want you to understand is not that I don’t believe that women aren’t capable of being good warriors.  Hell!  one of the Apache pilots in country when I was there drove a Hell-Fire missile into a cave and had 73 confirmed kills from it.  They have proven their worth and this is not, as those retarded imbeciles in the ACLU believe, a question of the denial of some measure of full citizenship for female soldiers serving in the US Army, as say the denial of the right to vote in elections would be or to own property.  This isn’t a zero sum game in which if male soldiers are being promoted because they have combat experience, that some female soldiers without that experience are not. So you know, soldiers in the US Army, all soldiers, do not compete against other soldiers across the entire Army for promotion.  Soldiers in the US Army compete with other soldiers in the Military Occupational Specialties they have chosen for promotion, so for example baby; Male Infantry soldiers compete against other Male Infantry soldiers for promotion.  Female helicopter mechanics do not compete against male infantry soldiers for promotions or preferred assignments in the Army.  Female soldiers can transition to other career fields that will undoubtedly place them in combat situations like I said before like Military Police soldiers escorting convoys and protecting generals or Human Intelligence specialists and Counter-Intelligence working alongside us when I was deployed and other line combat units.

And not every man that signs up can be assigned to combat arms, especially the Infantry or Special Forces.  To be accepted into those branches, you have to meet standards that are higher than basic US Army standards.  There are dudes out there who are dirtbags and cannot make the grade physically of not only US Army Standards, but also for what is expected of them to maintain the standards of the combat units they could be assigned to. Those jackwagons get sent packing because we know, and the unit knows that they won’t be able to do the things that save my life in a firefight.

And this is not something that the ACLU can get injunctive relief for, The Supreme Court cannot rule on, the US Army cannot regulate nor can the US Congress legislate; and here it is baby

…and that is the fact that men and women are created differently.  No matter how many times the libtards try to tell us that your plumbing is the same as mine, just that it is on the inside, that don’t make it so.

OK, by this time, I am filling his coffee cup again (and mine too, because I was up, not because it was my job or anything…) but like I said, I have always tried to keep my vajay-jay out of it.  It isn’t a poncho so I always argue the relevance of it.  He starts furiously typing away on his iPad and when I hand him his coffee, he hands it to me with this page from Wikipedia…

Males weigh about 15 percent more on average than females and they are on average, taller as well.  Males are physically stronger than females. The difference is due to females having less total muscle mass than males, and also having lower muscle mass in comparison to total body mass. Males are stronger than females when adjusting for differences in total body mass. While individual muscle fibers have similar strength, males have more fibers due to their greater total muscle mass. The greater muscle mass of males is in turn due to a greater capacity for muscular hypertrophy as a result of men’s higher levels of testosterone.  Males have denser, stronger bones, tendon and ligaments.  Male and female pelvises are shaped differently.  The female pelvis has a wider pelvic cavity which is necessary for giving birth.  Male pelvises did not evolve to give birth and are more optimized for walking.  Males typically have larger trachae and branching bronchi with about 56% greater lung volume per body mass.  They also have larger hearts, 10% higher red blood cell count, and higher haemoglobin which allows for greater oxygen-carrying capacity. They also have higher circulating clotting factors (vitamin K, prothrombin and platelets). These differences lead to faster healing of wounds and higher peripheral pain tolerance. 

OK, Yeah, I know I am physically inferior, my “girls” get in the way sometimes when I am doing physical things and I can get emotional and tired; but I am trying hard to be neutral on this, because I really think that as a conservative woman, who thinks that opportunities for women are important, I must have SOMETHING to offer, or at least some other girl who is in much better shape than me whose emotions and breast tissue are a bit more under control.

This is something, try as every libturd might, cannot be wished away.   Because, as I was sayin’, there are dirtbags right now that cannot meet the standards to be in the combat arms and these are men, who despite being dirtbags, have dense bones, good lung capacity, and good red blood cell counts that make them stronger on average then women. The machine guns we pack around, mortar system base plates strapped to our rucks, the ammunition that goes with them, the rucksacks themselves and the rifles are not going to suddenly become easier to pack, carry or maneuver because SecDef  says that the ban on women serving in the combat arms branches is lifted.

And this is about standards and what it takes to fight and win the nation’s wars,   In the heat of battle, when we are locked in the fight to the death in the last hundred yards of territory, my physical strength and my size will allow me to carry heavy loads of ammunition hour after hour, up mountains and through cities without injury.  I have thicker bones, and bigger muscles and the ability to carry heavier loads greater distances than any female Olympic athlete, triathlon competitor, or farm girl.  And that ability  to have that with my physical size and strength will truly mean life or death; not only for me, but for my friends.  Me having stronger ligaments and tendons means less possibility of  non-combat injuries before encountering enemy forces.  Hand to hand fighting requires physical strength and muscle mass that absolutely will mean life or death not only for me, but for my friends fighting alongside. The small unit battles that are becoming the norm on the battlefield will be won by strong men with muscles who are closing with their enemies and destroying them, most of the time with rifles and machine-guns, but sometimes they will have to do this with knives, fists, feet, hands, clubs, rocks or whatever they can lay their hands on. Ask the Soldiers and Marines who fought insurgents in the city of Fallujah how close, dirty and violent Infantry combat can be.   Those libturds should sit down with British Soldiers who fixed bayonets and fought house to house in Basra and ask them about the degree of physical difficulty and bloody violence their job involves. And then after listening to them, they could explain their theories on how gender-norming the standards and allowing women with less physical strength, but who are really better at communicating than men should be assigned to units that conduct combat missions to kill or capture our enemies because it’s a great idea whose time has come.

Damn…  The communication card.   But I do talk more than he does, but that probably wouldn’t be helpful in sorting out the kinds of conflicts he has dealt with.  He has a good point.

So you know, I know I haven’t talked about this, because it is boring as hell, and it ain’t like we would be talking about this over dinner or anything, but there are US Army regulations that require theater commanders to provide Female soldiers in combat theaters specific kinds of medical and life support.  There are OBGYN needs that the US Army is required to provide for and female soldiers have specific housing requirements that must be met.  I will tell you that living on a Combat outpost or remote fire-base makes providing these kinds of support impossible.   The idea behind small firebases and combat outposts where small footprints and close living situations are the norm is so that units can function to the highest degree possible with the smallest footprint.  

And now we are going to be putting 18-25 year old men in the company of 18-25 year old women.  What do you think is going to happen?  Do you think that they are going to be concentrating putting rounds downrange or poon-tang?  How is this going to work?  I mean, between this and the DADT, when the hell is a combat unit leader going to be able to concentrate on his damn job instead of  spending more time being forced to worry about who is boinking who instead of killing the enemy?  I mean is it going to be “OK, Helmet?  Check.  Grenades? Check.  Ammo? Check.  Birth Control pills?  Which day was I on again?

I know he feels passionately about this, because he has dedicated most of his adult life to making sure that I can sleep well and live free and he feels like they are taking the last thing he had that was really “his” away.   This is one of the reasons I love him so much.

He tied it all together at the end.

Him:  Baby, the number one mission of  the Military is to fight and win the nations wars.   Anything that takes away from that not only weakens our freedom, it affects our society. Dropping the ban on women serving in the Combat Arms for which they are not physically qualified weakens our forces.  Saying that we as a society measure full citizenship by allowing the equal opportunity to both men and women who volunteer for military service to plunge a bayonet into the torso of an enemy soldier while fighting to clear an assigned sector of the enemy during war is a poor measure of what it means to be a citizen.  Furthermore, our military is large enough that women seeking to advance don’t have to have infantry combat experience to advance to higher rank or receive preferred assignments.  

The bottom line, bottom dollar, soup to nuts, down and dirty, stone cold reality is that like it or not, men who have bigger muscles, thicker bones, and generally nastier dispositions; who are trained and hardened up in these combat units throughout the US Military are the people to get this nasty, dirty, bloody, foul, thankless and dangerous work of fighting and winning the nation’s wars done.  We as a society have to decide what the assignment of women to these jobs means and how it will affect readiness. The fields that involve direct ground combat as the main part of their mission are the tip of the spear of our military and the fact remains that women were denied entry to these career fields not only because the law did not allow it but because, as a group and by percentages, they do not possess the requisite physical skills, mental toughness, physical stamina or keen steely eyed resolve to be successful on the battlefield as a combat arms soldier.

And call me old fashioned, but I thought I signed up and fought so that women wouldn’t have to fight.  I would rather you not have to crush yourself physically to be able to do what I do as normal and I am not afraid to say that I like things a bit more traditional.  I wouldn’t wish on you the things I have had to see and do in 14 lifetimes during my military career.

That was a reasoned intelligent argument, and that last part got me.  Thanks for your service to our country baby.  I don’t think I could have said why this is a bad idea any better myself.

{ 30 comments… read them below or add one }

ROS January 27, 2013 at 11:50 am

Spot the hell on.

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anon January 27, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Consider this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122168587/Rifle-Platoon-Basic-Load-OEF-XII

Avg. paratrooper weight: 184 lbs. Avg. paratrooper load for 72-hr mission: 103.6 lbs

The weight is too much even for the men: “When contact is made, maneuver is difficult. AWT [air weapons team,i.e. apache helicopters], CAS [close air support,i.e.,air force planes] and Indirect fires [mortars and artillery] are relied upon heavily to destroy the enemy.”

Seriously, carrying 100 lbs for three days? Hand-to-hand combat with enemy soldiers (men)? WTF? Are these people insane?

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TmjUtah January 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm

Mrs. Utah and I have had much the same conversation.

Your friend has vastly more first person experience than I do. Beautifully communicated.

This is not a win/lose or right/wrong argument. It is what it is.

Unicorn chasing is going to get even more of our people killed.

Mr. Reynolds referred me here. Nice place!

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Kate January 27, 2013 at 10:36 pm

Thank you! Don’t be a stranger. ;)

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Donald Sensing (USA, ret.) January 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm

As a retired Army artillery officer, I posted my own perspective here: “The Infantry Woman Shortage.”

Bottom line: Let the liberals have their orgy of self congratulation on how they’ve made the military so gloriously equal and gender neutral. It means nothing much as far as actual assignments of women in the force at large. You just cannot fool Mother Nature and the women who are joining the military know it. We may expect an initial rush of a few women who think of themselves as trailblazers or women who want the media frenzy over them to prepare the marketing environment for their book. There will follow not long afterward Congressional hearings because women won’t start appearing in large numbers graduating from the Benning School for Boys (aka, the US Army Infantry School) – and then women will continue to stay away in droves. Why? Because they are not idiots.

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Micha Elyi January 28, 2013 at 3:40 pm

You bet females are not idiots. Feminism was underway in the USA before the Civil War. Then it made little to no headway for a half-century. Why? Because females saw 600,000 men die and hundreds of thousands more permanently maimed or crippled. Afterward, females felt the price of full citizenship wasn’t worth its priveleges. The Civil War generation had to die off before the feminism delusion could again spread and multiply.

Not idiots, just greedy.

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Donald Sensing (USA, ret.) January 27, 2013 at 10:21 pm

The Globe and Mail (Toronto, not UK) has a good piece on the Canadian experience of opening such specialties to women. Their conclusion? It’s a joke and everyone up there knows it.

What happens when women are fully integrated into combat? Fortunately, we have a great example: Canada. Overall, women account for 14 per cent of all jobs in the Canadian Forces, a slightly lower percentage than in the U.S. As a result of a human-rights decision, front-line combat jobs were opened to women in 1989. Yet today, despite strenuous recruiting efforts, women hold just 2.4 per cent of these jobs.

Women in combat: Let’s get real

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Dbie January 27, 2013 at 10:22 pm

My husband is a 1SG in the Reserve. If his unit gets into trouble, I know the lone female in the group would fight as hard as any of the guys… BUT.. they are Public Affairs. That’s a LONG way from being an Infantry unit. Yes, I know females get into firefights and get blown up just like the guys, but Infantry hasn’t been their primary job. Their primary job temporarily put them into battle situations.

Even if women can physically handle the same requirement as the men, the mental aspect of battle is huge. Add in the female anatomy and the problems that come along with it (let’s face it, being in the mountains of Afghanistan and being on the rag would NOT be a good situation)… and you’re setting yourself up for disaster.

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Patrick Walsh January 27, 2013 at 10:28 pm

Great rant!

One other thing you and he might have added. Get a digital copy of Anabasis, by Xenophon. Search on the word “boy”. In every single instance that word appears in that book written over 2,000 years ago, there is a description of incident that is predjudicial to good order and discipline in any Army or Unit. And the author was not a homophobe, to put it mildly.

Most civiians think the “who is bonking who issues” described by your friend are no big deal. Sort of like office romances. In combat, “who is bonking who” gets tied up with things like who is walking point today, or who has to burn the feces in the oil drum, again; or who has to go outside the wire to check on claymores or go down the hill to haul the water and chow up the hill on their back; or how one soldier reacts when the soldier they are sexually involved with gets disciplined by a senior soldier or when another soldier makes a pass at them. At that point it may involve who gets a grenade rolled into their tent or a foxhole.

Unlike the office you don’t go home to your own apartment at the end of the shift. Soldiers on an operation or a combat outpost might not see anyone outside of their squad or platoon for weeks at a time. In the mechanized units you might not see anyone outside of your vehicle crew. Whatever problems arise over “who is bonking who” don’t go away and you can’t get away from it. This is different from the soldiers operating out of the larger FOB’s, where they have separate facilities and lots of adult supervison. This is different from a female medic or intel specialist who goes on a day or two long patrol.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment.

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TBlakely January 27, 2013 at 10:28 pm

This will not end well and you know who will be blamed when it doesn’t.

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jim sweeney January 27, 2013 at 10:40 pm

I’m an old Marine, now 82, a relic of the Korean War. But it was true then as it always was and shall be: as a group, women cannot fight as they cannot physically survive the multiple rigors of war nor can they kill face-to-face as is today’s and yesterday’s wars. Fly-chicks maybe; hand-to-hand street fights? Never happen. The gooks would kill them first which is why they are useles out there.

I could not count on a woman covering me on patrol or recon. I know they’re not good enough, tough enough or hard-ass enough to simply kill some gook. I mean just kill him, blow his yellow/brown/black or colorless ass to hell; slit his fucking throat, kick him in the nuts and then kill him. Try that on for size G.I. Jane.

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Kit January 28, 2013 at 12:03 am

See, THIS is how we need to frame that discussion. People–especially women–will say this is insensitive. it’s gross. It’s gratuitously violent. BUT…It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that we talk about it this way, because THAT IS WAR.

Any woman who wants to get in there and prove she’s combat troop material needs to understand two things: First, she will be expected to be able to kill someone, in whatever brutal, bloody, disgusting, horrifying way necessary. There is absolutely no one, male OR female, who can engage the enemy and not think about it, every single day, for the rest of their life. Secondly, a woman who insists on playing at combat troop needs to understand that HER choice affects the men she serves with. Period. Every combat vet I know has survivor guilt. In every case, they did all they can do and they STILL feel that. I’m just wondering how Miss SuperJane plans to explain to the wife and children of her team member that their husband and father is dead because SuperJane couldn’t get him out. Or worse, because he put himself in a bad position to help her over a wall or carry some of her gear or whatever ELSE happened because she couldn’t hold her weight. It’s purely disgusting.

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Former Captain January 27, 2013 at 10:46 pm

Ditto.

I was (still am) a 5’4″ 130 pound warrior. The physical requirements almost killed me. I could only do it as long as I had youth (18-24) on my side. And buddies to drag me over the wall.

War is Hell and no place for anyone, certainly not women.

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Dbie January 27, 2013 at 10:55 pm

I was just discussing this with a female in my husband’s unit. She brought up one good thing about the new regs: Women will now be allowed to fill slots at the brigade level within their MOS. Previously, they were limited to brigade or higher.

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RedLegJO January 27, 2013 at 11:49 pm

Due to changes made last summer women were already allow to serve at BN Level. I Funny enough they didn’t want to wait long enough to know what the result of that would be.

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nan231 January 27, 2013 at 11:25 pm

Twenty years from now we will have the same discussions we are having now about football and concussions. The sustained physical and emotional stress will lead to increased suicides and premature death in women and then we will be asking, did we do enough to warn these women of the danger of extended physical and mental exertion.

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Mike H. January 27, 2013 at 11:56 pm

What happens to men today when they are captured? What would happen to women today if they were captured in Egypt or Afghanistan? Still not a – one to one – correlation.

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Fen January 28, 2013 at 5:14 am

Mike, better question is what happens when the captured men hear the captured women being raped. Answer: they break.

@ Dejah: I know your tone is intended to be light-hearted, but “man-____” is just as annoying to me as “broad” is to you. Why can’t you just call him your “male friend” instead? ManCave, ManPurse, ManSplain are all demeaning, even if you don’t intend to annoy, your vjay is all over this article.

Bottom line: women are simply not physically capable of keeping up with an 0311. They have 10% less hemoglobin, 10% less bone density, 10% more body fat.

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Tina January 28, 2013 at 5:19 am

Please thank your guy for telling it like it is. And thanks to the commenters who have told the simple, hard truths that need to be said.
On the simple fitness of women for heavy lifting tasks:
A few years ago, I called an ambulance for an elderly man. When the two women paramedics arrived, they were not able to lift him from the floor onto the gurney. This man’s life was endangered while they waited for one man to be called in to lift the patient.
That “problem” was not solved by requiring female paramedics to meet more strenuous physical standards, or by putting a man on every ambulance team. Instead, it was solved by sending a fire truck out on every ambulance call. There are lots of reasons given for why cities send both ambulance and fire truck on simple ambulance calls, but the simple fact that fire trucks are, statistically, never manned exclusively by females (because women do not join fire depts in sufficient numbers), while ambulance teams of two often are both female, plays a huge, unspoken part in that enormous “health care expense” waste.

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panthermedic January 28, 2013 at 8:34 am

Echoing previous comments, I was a female medic serving on a convoy escort team and a QRF team, my biggest fear was not being able to pull one of my guys out of a dangerous area if they got hurt. As hardcore as I thought I was and as much as I loved being deployed, I was constantly reminding the guys on my team that I would need help if someone got hurt; I could not physically carry them like many of the male medics could. Fortunately for me it never came to that and I don’t have to live with the “what if’s.”

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L_Dave January 28, 2013 at 8:56 am

I can’t help but think that the aim here is to weaken America’s military, its citizens’ resolve and, ultimately, our capacity to defend freedom throughout the world.

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ruinator January 28, 2013 at 11:52 am

Spot on. I do however think the argument (in general) misses one point. Women have always had a role in very dangerous special operations missions. Anyone who questions that needs to read up on the OSS, Britians SOE (?), MOSSAD, French resistance, etc. Many women parachuted in France with the OSS’s jedburgh teams. Some captured and died for us.

Men ARE made different. I am happily married BUT when an attractive comes up to me and asks a question honestly I am more inclined to answer. Infantry no. Artillery…probably not. Special operation….maybe

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karla duffy January 28, 2013 at 2:36 pm

Please…his explanation of physiological realities does not say anyone is ‘inferior.’

Men were created for combat. Women were not. Except in rare instances, which are what the know-it-alls in the Halls Of Academe and Government Service will tout. Men and Women will die needlessly, based on their theories of gender equality.

Thanks for offering this view from his experience. It’s what SHOULD count the most.

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Micha Elyi January 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm

Do you reject feminism and all her works?

And when you can answer yes, what will you do for penance?

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Chuck Pelto January 29, 2013 at 10:36 am

TO: Micha Elyi
RE: Rejections

Do you reject feminism and all her works?

And when you can answer yes, what will you do for penance? — Micha Elyi

I don’t reject ‘feminism’. I reject rank stupidity. And there will be no ‘penance’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The feminist movement died one milli-second after the first impact. -- Niven & Pournelle, Lucifer's Hammer.]

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richard40 January 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm

If you could keep the physical standards absolutely identical, that might be OK. The problem is with absolutely identical standards, only about 5% as many women as men will legidimately qualify for physically demanding combat assignments, especially paratroops and special forces, who have to carry heavy loads for long distances, and overcome in hand to hand. Yes some women can legidimately qualify and compete physically, but they are rare, otherwise there would be no need to have seperate womens and mens divisions in various sports.

And when, with the identical standards, only about 5% of women make it to combat units, the feminists will cry discrimination, and the standards will be degraded, or there will be seperate standards for women. Either one will destroy combat effectiveness.

Now specialties where physical strength does not matter as much, like flying, driving various vehicles, intel, maintenance, medical, communications, personnel, interpreters,etc, have already been integrated, although even there the men still outnumber the women.

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Boomer in Guam January 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm

A most interesting and welcome blog and it is being shared with numerous warrior friends – all services.

My take on this issue? I realize females are, as you read this, are in harm’s way. Many have paid the ultimate price for their service. However, intentionally placing them in direct combat situations is absolutely inane – stupid and should not happen.

Enough has been written about the reasons why not to allow females in direct combat that the decision not to do so should be an easy one. Alas, those in decision making positions just don’t seem to have the brains to make it. Enough of this Politically Correct crapola, I say!!!

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Fen January 28, 2013 at 11:33 pm

“problem is with absolutely identical standards, only about 5% as many women as men will legidimately qualify for physically demanding combat assignments -”

and then wash out. I watched this happen during an NCO Leadership course in the Marines. It was a 10 mile landnav course (with pack) mixed with males and females. My team was the only one to complete. The female I was paired with was outstanding, endured much pain, refused to give up or even let me carry some of her gear.

End result? Because of the grueling course, she acquired 3 stress fractures in her legs and was medically discharged out of the Corps.

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Chuck Pelto January 30, 2013 at 1:25 pm

TO: All
RE: It’s NOT Just the Physical

There is also the matter of unit cohesion in combat operations.

Combat Ops are not just ‘combat’. There’s a LOT of dull and boring time between actions.

War is often long periods of boredom, punctuated by brief periods of terror.

People have a tendency to try to get away from boredom by the most pleasurable means available. You put men and women together in such an environment and they’ll focus on what is ‘most pleasurable’.

While attending the Infantry Officers Advanced Course (IOAC), I read of what Marshall Tito—leader of the Partisan Resistance in the Balkans during WWII—had to do to keep his co-ed units focused on their mission instead of each other.

Case in Point, LP/OPs—forward look outs for units—when made up of co-ed teams, were having problems keeping an eye out for approaching Nazis instead of on each other. Several units were hit and hit hard.

Tito’s solution was that any couple caught in such dereliction of duty were punished by IMMEDIATE SUMMARY EXECUTION IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ENTIRE UNIT BY THEIR COMMANDER.

Then I’ve seen similar problems myself.

Case in Point, co-ed ambulance teams. Winter maneuvers at Fort Carson. Snow is a foot deep. Temps below zero at night.

One poor soldier gets frostbite.

The battalion medical team whistles up the Front Line Ambulance (FLA) attached for the exercise from the division medical battalion. They can’t raise it. And they have to use their own all-male assets to evacuate the soldier for treatment at the installation hospital.

The battalion XO wants to know what became of the FLA and its crew. He goes looking.

He finds the vehicle hidden in a clump of trees.

The radios have been turned off.

The co-ed crew is using the litters in the back for recreational activity.

Then we have women rendering themselves combat ineffective by becoming pregnant. The rate is not 10%!!!!

Consider a low-density Military Operational Specialty (MOS), a battalion may have only one commo specialist for a certain form of radio. If that one is a female and she becomes pregnant, she has to IMMEDIATELY be evacuated and a replacement found.

Now, if there is no replacement and a critical piece of commo equipment goes down and she’s not there to fix it…..

For the want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
For the want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
For the want of a horse, the man was lost.
For the want of the man, the battle was lost.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Glad to see the Marines are resisting this edict…..

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Chuck Pelto January 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm

That should read….

“The rate is NOW 10%!!!!

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