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Proposition 8 was upheld in California, and the gay marriage activists are busy planning rallies and protests.
The voters decided. The Supreme Court decided. Will these people ever stop trying to force gay marriage on the rest of America? Will it matter if the majority votes against it every time?
I doubt it.
And now, they’ve started making videos.
As they are saying themselves, they won’t back down. No matter how you vote, no matter how the Supreme Court decides, they will keep pushing to force gay marriage on us. And they’ll likely use the same bullying tactics, complete with blacklisting, vandalism, and threats.
If you’re against gay marriage, I’d steel yourself. The fight’s just begun.
Bob says: While I can certainly understand their sentiment, the fact remains – it lost at the polls. Call it hate or whatever, but it still lost at the polls. big time. Then it was escalated all the way to the state Supreme Court. And it lost there again.
All this is doing is turning people *off* on same sex marriage. (Of which the overwhelming majority are *female* same sex couples getting married, by the way…)
If they want it, they need to wait until 2010 when there’s an opportunity to have a vote on the state Constitutional Amendment once again.
It will pass one day. Although I would agree the tactics of some may turn middle America off to the idea. On the otherhand, once people get used to the fact that gay people are no different than non-gay people [they are our neighbors, friends, co-workers and family too] they’ll stop resisting and realize marriage isn’t a bad thing.
Chris M-G says: As always, it’s the select few that spoil the crop. I don’t personally believe the gay lifestyle is morally right; however, I believe everyone has a choice in their own actions. That is, after all, the American way. As long as you acknowledge that any choice may come with negative consequences, and as long as you don’t try and force me to agree with you, I will do the same- and you can believe whatever you want. I know (and work with) many gay people (male and female) and am good friends with all of them for this reason.
If the anti-P8 crowd keeps this up, nobody will like them- good apples or no good apples.
You know there was a time where blacks couldn’t go to school with whites and was that okay because the majority agreed that it was. There was a time interracial marriage was illegal in certain states and was that okay because the majority ruled. If we had gone by the majority, things would be so messed up now and that’s why I don’t see why people choose to ignore gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered people, pansexuals, etc etc because they’re not the norm. I personally love what they’re doing. I hope to be able to be comfortable with whoever I love, man or woman.
To me it’s just sad in a country that claims to be progressive thinks that hating and discriminating gays is okay.
shaniqueua – there’s no racism going on here; we didn’t bring gay people here to be our slaves, so don’t start in with the civil rights act speech.
If anything, this goes to show that people are best suited to living in smaller, more autonomous communities. Abortion, for instance: the Supreme Court overstepped its bounds there, and the Cali Supreme Court doesn’t want to pull the same nonsense. Each state or town or community, whatever, should decide if abortion is appropriate and go from there. As an individual you actually have greater power to change things within a smaller community, not less power.
If gay marriage isn’t allowed in one state/town/county, they can move on to the next instead of shoving it down the throat of people who don’t like it or want it. There should be no LAW stating you have to move away, of course, but you have to use your imagination and think about society the way the Founders did. They didn’t mention marriage in the Constitution. Wanna know why? Because they were so pleased with themselves that they had removed religion from their document, that they didn’t want government involved in the institution of marriage at all. That includes gay marriage.
Pushing “rights for all” in a society that was only intended to protect certain unalienable rights at the Federal level only eases us further toward the nanny/welfare state that the UK has already adopted.
CaptDMO says: Where’s the part where “the country” claims to be “progressive”?
Frank White says: Homosexual males have the same right as I do to marry any woman they want
I feel like it is a civil rights thing and no one said anything about slavery. No there’s no racism but there is discrimination. Gays have done nothing to not deserve full rights. And how is gay marriage gonna be forced on everyone? No one is going to make you marry someone of the same sex. No one is going to force you to be friend’s with a gay couple. No one is going to force you to attend a gay wedding. Just don’t be a part of it and move on. And isn’t not allowing gay to get married in MAJORITY of the states, cities, and towns of America still being inovled with the institution of marriage (since people are still going by that marriage is between a man and a woman crap)?
And I’ve heard people everywhere say that America is better than many other countries so that’s where I’ve heard that from. I’ve also heard people claim to be more open minded and better.
Mark says: Gay marriage a civil rights issue? Since when?
I’m glad the CA Supreme Court ruled the way they did. Had they gone the other way, it would have been further proof that the will of the people doesn’t really matter. I heard all my life that the people are the power by virtue of the vote. Judicial fiats make that moot!
Steffen says: Shaniquequa do we live in a democracry? Hell even in a republic majoriety rule. Our officials, from local up to the federal government are elected by a majoriety vote.
So basicly you want to take that away? I’m willing to bet Obama is very proud of you.
Now you talk about civil right. Good for you! I seriously mean that. But then you go on to talk about how blacks were treated at one time. Now I’ll turn that around on you and tell you that most blacks voted against gay marriage. How about that?
Cylar says: I don’t see that government should have a role in the marriage business anyway.
I disagree, and I’m tired of people suggesting this as some kind of neat-and-tidy way of getting the controversy to go away.
Government (and society) has a very real role in defining who is married and who is not. Whether or not a couple holds a marriage license is used as the dispute determinant in a wide variety of issues – inheritance rights when a partner dies, who can adopt, visitation rights, who is required to be covered by whose employer-provided health insurance, on and on. A host of taxation issues also come up – singly vs married filing jointly, etc.
Then we need to mention that the irreligious would have no place to go if there’s no church that they identify closely enough…since the state will no longer allow judges, sea captains, etc, to issue marriage licenses.
Finally, there is the fact that marriage offers certain protections for partners who are unable to work…if the able-bodied partner tries to walk out. Have you ever heard of “alimony?”
I’m just so tired of this simplistic nonsense. Just once I’d like to hear some syndicated columnist bring this up on the radio or in print, so that I don’t have to keep posting my rebuttal over and over again. It’s like I’m the only person to have realized that idea (getting rid of marriage recognition entirely) has serious problems.
I’m taking away the rights for you to vote against gays but you’re taking away the rights for gays to be happy and develop families. What’s the motherfucking difference? And I know the majority of the voters are black and that dissapoints me being black and queer. But even though they did that doesn’t take away my opinion that it’s wrong to tell gays they don’t have the right to have complete rights because they were born to like a certain gender.
And I just don’t like the majority matters arguement because in the ’60s the majority felt like it wasn’t okay for a black woman to marry a white man. Should we still have that because the majority had ruled on that. Things need to change and if we give gays the right to marry, the debate will be over and we can move on.
Cylar says:
Shaniquequa Says: I feel like it is a civil rights thing and no one said anything about slavery. No there’s no racism but there is discrimination. Gays have done nothing to not deserve full rights. And how is gay marriage gonna be forced on everyone? No one is going to make you marry someone of the same sex. No one is going to force you to be friend’s with a gay couple. No one is going to force you to attend a gay wedding. Just don’t be a part of it and move on.
Do you ever do anything on this board besides whine about racism, first off? I am bored with your sanctimonious bullshit.
Okay, we’ve been over this a hundred times with you liberals, but you demonstrate that you still aren’t listening, so here we go once again:
Point one: Gays currently can marry any opposite-sex partner that they would choose. Ergo, they have the same “right” as anyone else to get married, to the extent that right exists for anyone.
Point two: No straight person has the “right” to marry a person of the same gender either, so that means that gays enjoy the same civil rights as anyone else.
But but, what about being able to marry who makes them happy? Right? I can see that question forming in your pathetic little mind.
And the answer is…That’s not our fucking problem! The government is not and has never been in the business of making sure of every last person’s individual happiness. In a free country, you make your own happiness. That’s the price you pay for being free.
Besides, even if you got your way, it would still leave beastiality-enthusiasts, polygamists, incest-practicers, pedophiles, and other assorted crazies out in the cold. They still wouldn’t be able to marry whomever makes them happy, after all. Who are you to tell them they don’t have the same matrimonial “rights” as you do, you bigot?
Now go away. The ‘Net has too many annoying, inarticulate, addle-brained morons already.
Cylar says: Man, I miss the days when gays just said, “What we do in the bedroom is nobody else’s business. You have no right to dictate how I live my life.”
Now we’ve got thousands of people just in California, dedicated to the idea that the rest of us must in fact look upon the way they live their lives and call it good! That’s really what this is about…normalizing homosexual behavior on us all, including upon those of us who have moral objections to it or who regard it as just plain nasty. Far from just minding their own business, now the gay marriage advocates want to make their lifestyle everyone’s business by forcing the government (which we fund with our taxes) to recognize the very thing that separates them from the rest of us.
I don’t think so. It was fine when they told me it was none of my business, but it’s not fine when I’m told I have to recognize it as a legitimate lifestyle choice. Especially after it’s already been defeated once in court and twice at the ballot box.
If the gun-rights lobby were this tenacious, by now AK-47’s would be not only legal in California, but actually required.
Cylar says: And I just don’t like the majority matters arguement because in the ’60s the majority felt like it wasn’t okay for a black woman to marry a white man. Should we still have that because the majority had ruled on that. Things need to change and if we give gays the right to marry, the debate will be over and we can move on.
Race is immutable, meaning it cannot be changed. Sexuality is not. Even if it were, there’s no biological impulse forcing a person to get married to anyone. That’s a choice you’re making.
Now get lost. Seriously, you’re getting on my nerves.
Who are you to say sexuality can be changed? It can’t. When you’re gay you’re gay. There ain’t shit you can do about it. I mean yeah you can be a gay dude and marry the opposite sex but then you’re probably gonna sneak to the gay bars at night because you’ll never find a woman romotely attractive.
And it’s more than happiness with me. It’s a end to the debate. Once you say gays can marry, they can go their direction and you can go yours. You don’t have to look at them again. You don’t have to be around them. You don’t have to be friends with them. They really don’t want to be friends with you either so I just don’t see why they can’t get married and if you really think a gay person would actually go and marry someone that they can’t even stand to have sex with you must be crazy. And normolize gay behavior? It’s already considered normolize can do it and are you really just paranoid that you’re going to see gays making out everywhere? Trust me, shit isn’t going to change but the fact they can get a certificate.
And I just LOVE that I’m getting to you that you made three different posts since I was gone. Getting to people is what I do best.
=D
“And I just LOVE that I’m getting to you that you made three different posts since I was gone. Getting to people is what I do best.”
Yeah, super mature. Makes me want to take you seriously. Talk about trolls…
Cylar, seriously, just ignore this twit. She’s not worth your time. She’s a typical know-it-all Millenial who has no clue what’s going on around her. The Millenials will understand, to their chagrin, how short-sighted their policy decisions are in a decade or so. Unfortunately, it’ll be too late.
Miss Fire says: First comment ever here, let’s start with a bang! No one is talking about the elephant in the room. These people want the right to marry because, my God, they’re all so fugly, they’ve got to do what they can while they can with what they have. 😉
fox says: ““And I just LOVE that I’m getting to you that you made three different posts since I was gone. Getting to people is what I do best.””
Nice to see you’ve really set the bar high for yourself. Rocket scientist? Nah. Heart surgeon? No way. Annoying online troll? You betcha!
Justin says: So, video one is simply a bunch of douchebags standing around with signs pretending that they speak for their whole state.
As far as video too, I stopped it the moment I saw Perez Hilton. I really don’t care. Any group who would use Perez Hilton as a spokesperson is deserving of nothing more than utter contempt and ridicule.
“And I just LOVE that I’m getting to you that you made three different posts since I was gone. Getting to people is what I do best.”
That really isn’t a surprise to me. The horrific way in which public schooling failed you would get to anyone.
Mike says: “Besides…it would still leave beastiality-enthusiasts, polygamists, incest-practicers, pedophiles, and other assorted crazies out in the cold. They still wouldn’t be able to marry whomever makes them happy, after all. Who are you to tell them they don’t have the same matrimonial “rights” as you do?” (from Cylar)
This is a very good point. When marriage can changed for one group, it can be changed for all. Today gays, tomorrow polygamists.
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